Apprentice Union?

[gaudinho's stolen car]

What happened with bob crow then. This man sorts himself out no matter what

Like all trade union general secretaries, Bob Crow is subject to regular election by law. You might not like him but his members keep electing him so he must be doing something right. When he was first elected he polled nearly twice the votes of the other candidates put together.

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

Strictly speaking, all that sounds like him doing an excellent job for his members.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Like all trade union general secretaries, Bob Crow is subject to regular election by law. You might not like him but his members keep electing him so he must be doing something right. When he was first elected he polled nearly twice the votes of the other candidates put together.

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

Strictly speaking, all that sounds like him doing an excellent job for his members.

Well of course he is but i cant think of an easier job. Putting London to a stanstil is a very easy way to get what you want. Me you and Dave doen the pub could once a year demand a pay rise at risk of stopping the capital and he is paid over 90k a year for this. He dines at top restaurants while his members stand on picket lines. Well actually i have never seen a picket line for the TFL getting better pay

 

[totallywired]

What happened with bob crow then. This man sorts himself out no matter what

Like all trade union general secretaries, Bob Crow is subject to regular election by law. You might not like him but his members keep electing him so he must be doing something right. When he was first elected he polled nearly twice the votes of the other candidates put together.

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

No he isn`t. The negotiating team from the RMT got a good deal for there members. This deal would then be endorsed by the GGC. (GENERAL GRADES COMMITTEE). Bob Crow is the best General secretary that the RMT has ever had. Since his election the Union membership has risen from aroung 48,000 to over 80,000. You can`t knock that, and the fact that nobody stood against him at the last round of elections.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Like all trade union general secretaries, Bob Crow is subject to regular election by law. You might not like him but his members keep electing him so he must be doing something right. When he was first elected he polled nearly twice the votes of the other candidates put together.

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

No he isn`t. The negotiating team from the RMT got a good deal for there members. This deal would then be endorsed by the GGC. (GENERAL GRADES COMMITTEE). Bob Crow is the best General secretary that the RMT has ever had. Since his election the Union membership has risen from aroung 48,000 to over 80,000. You can`t knock that, and the fact that nobody stood against him at the last round of elections.

That sounds like North Korea to me

 

[mackenzie]

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

Strictly speaking, all that sounds like him doing an excellent job for his members.

Well of course he is but i cant think of an easier job. Putting London to a stanstil is a very easy way to get what you want. Me you and Dave doen the pub could once a year demand a pay rise at risk of stopping the capital and he is paid over 90k a year for this. He dines at top restaurants while his members stand on picket lines. Well actually i have never seen a picket line for the TFL getting better pay

If he does the job his members ask him to then what's the problem? Shouldn't he be rewarded for his endeavours? After all, thats the market force that you adhere to isnt it?After all, if they don't like it then they can boot him out.

Not having a go by the way, just showing similarities.

 

[totallywired]

The guy has the power to put London in standstill until he gets what he wants like getting people a £850 bonus for 6 weeks work to assure they wont strike during the Olympics. When a man holds that much power people will fall over themselves to vote him in. He might of been the right man at the time but he should be called a daylight robber the way he goes around these days

No he isn`t. The negotiating team from the RMT got a good deal for there members. This deal would then be endorsed by the GGC. (GENERAL GRADES COMMITTEE). Bob Crow is the best General secretary that the RMT has ever had. Since his election the Union membership has risen from aroung 48,000 to over 80,000. You can`t knock that, and the fact that nobody stood against him at the last round of elections.

That sounds like North Korea to me

To me it sounds like a Union membership is more than happy with there General Secretary, myself included.

 

[LittleStan]

can either of you give me an example of a paid employee actually getting paid what they earn?

anybody? Its a simple question in response to a simple statement. Surely there must be a simple answer?

Simple answer, I wasn't getting paid what I earned so I left and set up alone. Wasn't an easy choice and twice lost my hair through stress but it was worth it.

So you realised that you were not getting paid what you earned and took matters into your own hands.

Not everybody can do that so they have a group to represent them. Hence the trade unions, they are set up to represent one group of contracted parties.

Managers represent another group of contracted parties (the employer) and managers who are not very good at their job will not have an easy time with trade unions, and rightly so.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Strictly speaking, all that sounds like him doing an excellent job for his members.

Well of course he is but i cant think of an easier job. Putting London to a stanstil is a very easy way to get what you want. Me you and Dave doen the pub could once a year demand a pay rise at risk of stopping the capital and he is paid over 90k a year for this. He dines at top restaurants while his members stand on picket lines. Well actually i have never seen a picket line for the TFL getting better pay

If he does the job his members ask him to then what's the problem? Shouldn't he be rewarded for his endeavours? After all, thats the market force that you adhere to isnt it?After all, if they don't like it then they can boot him out.

Not having a go by the way, just showing similarities.

I know mackenzie he is very succesful in what he does but what he does pushes up fares for everyone else, Train drivers, underground etc make good money and get pay rises which would make most people fall over themsleves to accept and yet this pushes down other peoples take home. London underground drivers make 50k a year and thats why there is a 2 year waiting list
Then again after reading what i wrote i can see why they vote him in. Im arguing a lost cause here<br /><br />-- Wed May 30, 2012 7:49 pm --<br /><br />

No he isn`t. The negotiating team from the RMT got a good deal for there members. This deal would then be endorsed by the GGC. (GENERAL GRADES COMMITTEE). Bob Crow is the best General secretary that the RMT has ever had. Since his election the Union membership has risen from aroung 48,000 to over 80,000. You can`t knock that, and the fact that nobody stood against him at the last round of elections.

That sounds like North Korea to me

To me it sounds like a Union membership is more than happy with there General Secretary, myself included.

An unopposed election sounds like North Korea to me. Thats what you were getting at earlier isnt it.

 

[LittleStan]

it might just be me but the quote was people getting paid what they EARN which doesnt make sense, i think the original poster may have meant paid what they are worth?

You might be right.

In a market economy we should get our market worth, unions are there to fight the corner for those who can't fight their own.

 

[mackenzie]

Well of course he is but i cant think of an easier job. Putting London to a stanstil is a very easy way to get what you want. Me you and Dave doen the pub could once a year demand a pay rise at risk of stopping the capital and he is paid over 90k a year for this. He dines at top restaurants while his members stand on picket lines. Well actually i have never seen a picket line for the TFL getting better pay

If he does the job his members ask him to then what's the problem? Shouldn't he be rewarded for his endeavours? After all, thats the market force that you adhere to isnt it?After all, if they don't like it then they can boot him out.

Not having a go by the way, just showing similarities.

I know mackenzie he is very succesful in what he does but what he does pushes up fares for everyone else, Train drivers, underground etc make good money and get pay rises which would make most people fall over themsleves to accept and yet this pushes down other peoples take home. London underground drivers make 50k a year and thats why there is a 2 year waiting list
Then again after reading what i wrote i can see why they vote him in. Im arguing a lost cause here

-- Wed May 30, 2012 7:49 pm --

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The shareholders put the prices up, nobody else. If the profit margin is challenged then they will follow suit.

You know how difficult it is to live in London on a decent wage, so imagine it with a couple of kids in tow.

Why shouldn't the working man have a half decent return? All this 'work til you drop and be grateful' bollocks does my head in.

We, the working man, manufactures and creates the produce that the rich invest in. Investment is good, not denying that, but ultimately the working man is pivotal for that idea to succeed.

Then you have the working man actually having to finance certain certificates just to carry on working. The CSCS card and whatever replaced the Corgi thing as examples. And yet the working man can still be seen as a commodity and fair game when the rich decide it?
Walk down any street in the UK and look around you. The pavement you walk on, the roads the cars run on, the buildings you see. Every single thing is in place because of graft, and yet the working man reaps little for his labours.

We build and labour and exchange. Much like how things have happened for years.

They reap the rewards of our graft and sit back and laugh.


Rant over.