Are 12 American owners a serious threat to our game ?

HumbledGooner said:
A massive fallacy that is rooted in the belief that Arabs are better owners than Americans. Its just not true and the belief Newcastle will automatically be successful because they are owned by Arabs is incorrect.

Most of your success has to do with Pep, who like he did at Barcelona with really good players, raised standards very high.

Do you honestly think The American owned clubs think they couldn't beat you if Kompany is manager?
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Mancini and pelegrine say hi.
 
HumbledGooner said:
A massive fallacy that is rooted in the belief that Arabs are better owners than Americans. Its just not true and the belief Newcastle will automatically be successful because they are owned by Arabs is incorrect.

Most of your success has to do with Pep, who like he did at Barcelona with really good players, raised standards very high.

Do you honestly think The American owned clubs think they couldn't beat you if Kompany is manager?
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Glad you think it's down to Pep cos nearly all our opponents think it's money
 
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KS55 said:
But there should be a rule against leveraged buy out of a prem or championship club.
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There shouldn't be per se IMO . . . BUT there SHOULD be leverage ratio caps and cashflow/interest coverage ratio minimums -- just as a bank would ask of a company were it to lend it money -- only the regulatory bodies governing the sport should promulgate them.

Inadequate cashflow coverage of debt service (or the ability to service i.e. pay down/off shorter liabilities) is ALWAYS what gets clubs in trouble.

Problem is the cartel clubs making the rules didn't want that for fear of tripping up themselves or -- more likely -- because their owners wanted to borrow against the value of the assets in the future -- and because the "value" of the brand can get conflated quickly in sport at certain times which allows for a bigger borrowing "base" (theoretically) against which some owners want to apply leverage to take out their equity (or dividends).

So instead FFP was based on these insipid net income "profitability" tests which simultaneously insulated the cartel somewhat from failing FFP (since they were established and already profitable, generally) AND had the additional "benefit" of fucking up and protecting themselves from the clubs backed by "venture capital" -- i.e. loss-makers after initial investment, before eventually becoming profitable, just like nearly any start-up in any business.

Imagine a large retailer like Wal-Mart attempting to "legally" prevent Amazon from losing money in its early life to insulate itself from a competitive threat. That's what the cartel clubs did to City et al.

I do agree with those that say American owners are perhaps more desirous of a "closed system" because US sport(s) leagues are all effective cartels, which protects profits for everyone generally and limits spending (again generally).
 
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HumbledGooner said:
Its a training ground. Have you seen Liverpools AXA centre - its fantastic. As is Arsenals trianing ground.

As for Old Trafford, its an Old Ground, the San Siro is also old too. Some people prefer the old art deco house rather than the modern mcmansion.

Lets hope the Saudi's dont invest cricket. They will knock down Lords to build a bigger ground. SOmeone like you would be like 'ooohhhh investment'.
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You obviously have no idea how much has been invested in East Manchester by Sheikh Mansour creating thousands of jobs and transforming the entire area.
 
MCFCTrick said:
Did you think the same way when it was Arsenal (and the rags) able to spend such riches 'flowing into football' back in the day, totally unchecked?
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Makes me piss when I see fans of Arsenal, Liverpool or United say this...
The last thing they want is fairness... they just want their teams back on top, winning everything with no threat or competition from anyone else.
 
dario2739 said:
Makes me piss when I see fans of Arsenal, Liverpool or United say this...
The last thing they want is fairness... they just want their teams back on top, winning everything with no threat or competition from anyone else.
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Yep, preferably financed by leveraged buyouts or blood diamonds.

Have the murderers or unclean improved the areas their respective shit holes reside in one iota?!?

Compare that with the amount of money directly put into the Manchester economy as a result of our takeover.

Who have been behind sustained attempts to destabilise us, have us kicked out of European competition, be found guilty without due process?

Cowardly cunts, wonder when they'll get bored? ;-))))))
 
HumbledGooner said:
Yeah. I think a cap on the money flowing into football would be good for the game.

Your the one who confused 'investment' in football with what is just player wages and agent fees. Your the one who thinks Saudi Arabia is 'investing in football'.
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The lack of understanding displayed amidst the non joined up thinking in this post is absolutely beyond belief.

I’m not sure if you’re just thick or wilfully pig ignorant
 
mancboy said:
american owners quite simply dont like any kind of true competition and seek to eradicate it at all costs, american sport is a closed shop, no relegation or promotion and they will slowly look to do the same here
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The irony of American sport leagues is that they are, at their centre, a hybrid communist / oligarchical monopolistic enterprise.
 
America and Britain will always be 2 different cultures in society and sport.

Americans are more interested in profit and globalisation in our game compared to our owners who are more local businessmen owned in lower leagues who are more fan focused than profit driven (Obiviously will still want to make money).

I do admit Ryan Reynolds (Canadian) and Rob McElhenney have definitely done some good for our game as its helped Non League and lower league clubs get some much needed money and publicity so I can't fault that.

If there are more Ryan Reynolds and McElhenneys out there then I'm all for it as it brings people together to support their clubs.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
You obviously have no idea how much has been invested in East Manchester by Sheikh Mansour creating thousands of jobs and transforming the entire area.
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No he sure does not our owners change the city for the greater good of locals but he is impressed with a newly built shed in Liverpool sponsored by an insurer
 
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