Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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cibaman said:
Aren't the DUP opposed to that? It might solve the NI-ROI issue but creates similar problems between NI and GB. Wouldn't it mean tariffs on NI "exports" to GB, border checks on NI citizens? And, of course, the DUP see it as a first step to unification.
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It'd certainly be a shame to see the CTA altered but what else can you do?

Would we be allowed to have non-tariff between Rep. Ireland and UK in the event we don't get non-tariff to the single market? I presume not, it being a single market and the Rep. being in it.

Tariffs between Ireland and UK would be ludicrous.
 
inchy14 said:
And if we ignored the decision? Then what? We don't know if businesses will be fucked up, i'm sure some will and others will rise and take their place.

At the end of the day a decision was made, we can't now change our minds because those who lost shout loudest.
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But we can change our minds if the people wish to change their minds. The decision to leave was close. It is still close with the people still evenly decided. People who wish to remain are entitled to carry on campaigning to either reverse the decision or negate the decision with a deal at the end of two years (or whenever) that is Brexit in name only.

The argument to leave the EU was not settled by last years referendum. It will be fought for years to come. It will remain a faultline in this country.

Furthermore given the current political mess with a minority Govt and no clear path to pass any Brexit legislation without one faction or the other going no way and pulling the plug I don't see anyway forward in advancing the result of the EU referendum. Just as there is a faultline in the country there is a faultline running through the cabinet and parliament. What's more the EU will be reluctant to negotiate with the UK in the absence of any clear idea from the UK on what they want. Any final deal has to be ratified by Parliament and can you see any deal getting through Parliament in the next 5 years? And if so where does that leave us? In or out of the EU? Or (as is more likely) a fudged provisional deal that parks us to one side for years protecting trade but leaving us politically neutered.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
And you're spouting about democracy, yet in denial about a result you didn't like.
A referendum was called because of public demand, nobody successfully challenged it because there was
a general consensus for one. Never, anywhere, were there any clauses on the percentages you refer to, it was held,
and more people voted out than has ever been than in any other referenda or election.
There has been no downturn in our economy because of the referendum, we've taken a dip because of the recent
election throwing up a hung parliament, which is entirely different.
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Usual nonsense from you, the economy has been on a downward trend for some time, and forecasts are poor, as far as I know apart from a few business leaders saying we don't like the current situation there are not yet any economic results in post election
 
CitizenTID said:
It'd certainly be a shame to see the CTA altered but what else can you do?

Would we be allowed to have non-tariff between Rep. Ireland and UK in the event we don't get non-tariff to the single market? I presume not, it being a single market and the Rep. being in it.

Tariffs between Ireland and UK would be ludicrous.
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If they don't have them, doesn't everything just go via Ireland?
 
BobKowalski said:
That's nice. NI also needs no border between them and the ROI. I look forward to the solution that squares that tricky circle.
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If the DUP want out of the EU, out of the single market and the customs union and a soft border with the republic and no special status for Northern Ireland, then where does the hard border start? It has to start somewhere.
 
CitizenTID said:
That is out of the question. Opening the doors to millions of people coming from a war zone (many jumping on the bandwagon from perfectly stable places) is not a sustainable solution - there are always world conflicts, commonly in Africa/Middle East. Permanent residency is not a solution to an issue of requiring temporary safety. I've said on here before the UN need to back a proper, long-term solution for these temporary matters. If large numbers of people from poorer countries constantly move to the richer countries, it will eventually cause serious problems for that country and collapse infrastructure to support that many people - turning a well performing country into a shithole those immigrants wouldn't chose to live in.

Besides all that - legally speaking (as long as they haven't agreed prior), there is zero right for people to demand a country they are not from or have citizenship in to take in any immigrants. Those are matters of sovereignty to decide what's best for their own people, unlike international humane laws against chemical weapons and the like that require external pressures to ensure basic human rights.

I'm not saying don't help refugees, I'm saying do it sensibly in everyone's interests. It's in the interests of those refugees to be helped to live in their own country and build that country into a good place to live. There are other complex issues then though such as exterior countries meddling for their own gains without conscience for the people there - these types of countries need to be held to account.
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How the fuck can a refugee, fleeing blanket bombing live in their own country.?

Jeez, this post is so full of shit i don't know where to begin.
The fuckin 'interests' of refugees is food, water and a safe place to sleep.
fuckin jesius.
 
Serious question. Is there one politician with a proper vision of what trade, immigrant, political agreements should form our approach to brexit. All I hear is bloody sound bites which once you dig mean nothing. I seriously would listen to that person.
 
stonerblue said:
How the fuck can a refugee, fleeing blanket bombing live in their own country.?

Jeez, this post is so full of shit i don't know where to begin.
The fuckin 'interests' of refugees is food, water and a safe place to sleep.
fuckin jesius.
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Come on mate. It's simple, surely? Let's knock up a few Ikeas for them so they can replace any damaged furniture. Maybe a few Wetherspoons while we're at it, so they can grab a bite to eat and have a bit of a night out.

Easy fix. Should be able to get it sorted in no time. Not sure what the big deal is. Probably just soft c**ts coming over here for a cushy life.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Serious question. Is there one politician with a proper vision of what trade, immigrant, political agreements should form our approach to brexit. All I hear is bloody sound bites which once you dig mean nothing. I seriously would listen to that person.
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Most MPs would have that proper vision. But it would mean saying no to Brexit and "democracy".
 
inchy14 said:
And if we ignored the decision? Then what? We don't know if businesses will be fucked up, i'm sure some will and others will rise and take their place.

At the end of the day a decision was made, we can't now change our minds because those who lost shout loudest.
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OH YES WE CAN! AND BECAUSE BREXIT IS NOW SO OBVIOUSLY CRAP.

The perfect fumble said:
If the DUP want out of the EU, out of the single market and the customs union and a soft border with the republic and no special status for Northern Ireland, then where does the hard border start? It has to start somewhere.
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I think it starts at the Cake and Eat It stall.
 
stonerblue said:
How the fuck can a refugee, fleeing blanket bombing live in their own country.?

Jeez, this post is so full of shit i don't know where to begin.
The fuckin 'interests' of refugees is food, water and a safe place to sleep.
fuckin jesius.
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You've completely missed the point. That post is complete common sense, what part is full of shit?

I refer to permanent residence not being a sensible solution because refugees will realistically never end and we as a tiny island cannot support it. I also referred to them returning to their country once safe, of course not during war - what is your problem with that? If your mate needs a place to stay you offer it until they get back on their own feet, you don't let them live with you your entire life. Countries once stable need normal civilian workers to recover an economy, otherwise the country will carry on struggling. You shelter them and once safe to return send them back with a fishing rod, not offer them a lifetime supply of fish when their country needs them.
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
A united Ireland would do that. Imagine the DUP bringing about that........
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Yeah they will be loling over that at the next Orange Lodge meeting...

I'll say this for Brexit as much as I think leaving the EU is rank stupidity it has swept away Cameron and Osborne. May will be next and with a bit of luck the Tories with her. Throw in a united Ireland, the resurgence in popularity for the EU on the continent and with a bit of luck a renewed sense of direction to go with it and I may even start to view the referendum result in a slightly more favourable light.

We live in strange times.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I never wanted the vote in the first place - it's only because Farage built up a wave of anti Imigrant sentiment that forced Cameron's hand to hold one - Yes we should respect the democractic vote but if it means economy will fuck up, businesses leave and create even more problems then surely we can't just put our fingers in our ears and just say 'well we voted to leave'
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'The people' have spoken mate!











(Based largely on the lies of gutter press and shithouse politicians)
 
The one thing that I fairly clear here is across the whole of parliament they haven't a fucking clue how or what they are going to get a deal. They're basically going into the negotiations trying to wing it and see what happens. Brexit is now the elephant in the room in every aspect of British life and it's already cost £130m in an election that wasn't necessary. By the time Britain has left and paid the divorce bill etc the UK is going to have to make up billions and billions of lot money.

To get a good deal, something is going to have to give, it's as simple as that and at some point the Govt is going to have to stick two fingers up to the 52% and say for the good of the country it's impossible to just leave with the situation we're in. The only way to a reasonable deal that I can see would be a Norway/Switzerland type deal but that would include giving up certain rights such as immigration. I would like to see something like that for a ten year period whilst Britain trains its nurses and doctors etc in preparation for another referendum in ten years where one of the options should be to either remain like that or leave.
 
There is not the slightest possibility that any form of Brexit will happen.
Lines of retreat are already being drawn.
A second referendum will be held and the uk will vote to remain.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Words fail me.....

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Thank fuck we,re leaving, eh?
I'm not even going to read the pile of steaming horseshit that is that article. I can imagine the twisted facts and logic it'll contain. It'll be the same bitter bile that has poisoned the minds of the people against the EU for the last 40 years. To be honest we don't deserve to be in Europe. We don't deserve it because we have never tried to shed that parochial, imperialist mindset that says we are better and different to the people on the continent and that we need to keep them at arms length. Why? Because we are better and different, of course. Our sheer arrogance, hubris and stupidity makes me weep. Perhaps we do need to come out just to bring home to these people how stupid and ungrateful they have been towards the much taken for granted EU and our European partners as a whole. They will never learn until they do come out and see the consequences. Even then it'll be the EU's fault.
 
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