Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[bluethrunthru]

Christ

where????

 

[goalmole]

Oh, the war was illegal? Wow. So after years when the finest international lawyers on the planet weren't able to agree whether the war was lawful, when did they suddenly agree that it was illegal? Or are you just making up shit?

Come back when you find that WMD. That's what the war was supposed to be all about. You can get lawyers to argue about anything you want, it's what they do, what they say depends on who is paying them or if no one is paying them then they are led by their own political bias.
In the court of public opinion he's been found to have been a murdering bastard who went to war on a lie, the true agenda being regime change which is illegal.
I don't even blame the politicians for playing the same trick time and again when people are prepared to swallow their bollox.
The only thing you and I have to know is that what goes round comes round and thst when you sup with the devil make sure you have a very long spoon.

 

[Vic]

The only way to achieve a successful outcome for any venture is to be honest in your aims and intentions. The only aim and intention of this process should be what is the best for the country. We have both Labour and the Tories pushing for leave, but both for their own different narrow ideological, party political reasons. There is no vision of where we go from here. Neither have articulated how Brexit is in the national interest of the British people beyond the soundbites we have been hearing for the last year. The truth is that neither party know nor care. The reason that Brexit, regardless of who negotiates it, will not be a success for the British is because Btexit was never meant to be for the British people.

No idea who Brexit is for - unless you mean David Davis's old employers Tate & Lyle who want to sell more cane sugar.

Labour's not expecting an election in the autumn. I've been checking and struggle to find any post-referendum Labour "articulation" that Brexit is in the national interest. McDonnell came close http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/john-mcdonnell-backs-brexit-enormous-opportunity-britain but most Labour politicians are anti-brexit but are stuck with the "will of the people". Corbyn disciplines shadow cabinet members who don't toe the line but - unless there's an October election - Labour has no need to modify its position. That's that it's the same crap Idea that we said it was before the referendum but you voted for it and any Brexit stance Labour comes up with now won't be as suicidal as "no deal".

The side issue (which may be more of a front issue at the Labour Party conference) is that two-thirds of the Corbynistas in Momentum were Remainers.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

No idea who Brexit is for - unless you mean David Davis's old employers Tate & Lyle who want to sell more cane sugar.

Labour's not expecting an election in the autumn. I've been checking and struggle to find any post-referendum Labour "articulation" that Brexit is in the national interest. McDonnell came close http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/john-mcdonnell-backs-brexit-enormous-opportunity-britain but most Labour politicians are anti-brexit but are stuck with the "will of the people". Corbyn disciplines shadow cabinet members who don't toe the line but - unless there's an October election - Labour has no need to modify its position. That's that it's the same crap Idea that we said it was before the referendum but you voted for it and any Brexit stance Labour comes up with now won't be as suicidal as "no deal".

The side issue (which may be more of a front issue at the Labour Party conference) is that two-thirds of the Corbynistas in Momentum were Remainers.

Trouble is that Jezza is as ardent a leaver as any of Davis, Gove and Mogg. He currently has his party right where he wants them. There will be no positional change from the Labour Party on Brexit, even though the damage it is about to create is likely to be catastrophic, economically. BMW and Audi don't seem to be riding over the hill to save us, either.....

 

[smudgedj]

Trouble is that Jezza is as ardent a leaver as any of Davis, Gove and Mogg. He currently has his party right where he wants them. There will be no positional change from the Labour Party on Brexit, even though the damage it is about to create is likely to be catastrophic, economically. BMW and Audi don't seem to be riding over the hill to save us, either.....

Jezza needs us out from the EU in order to enact his policies . He's the greatest of all the Brexit heros.
The big german car companies you mention don't care as they will still supply their wares just from a non EU country. It matters not to their bottom line, it just matters to the german worker.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

 

[Chris in London]

Come back when you find that WMD. That's what the war was supposed to be all about. You can get lawyers to argue about anything you want, it's what they do, what they say depends on who is paying them or if no one is paying them then they are led by their own political bias.
In the court of public opinion he's been found to have been a murdering bastard who went to war on a lie, the true agenda being regime change which is illegal.
I don't even blame the politicians for playing the same trick time and again when people are prepared to swallow their bollox.
The only thing you and I have to know is that what goes round comes round and thst when you sup with the devil make sure you have a very long spoon.

So, No, is the short answer. You have just decided the war was illegal.

Thought so.

 

[grunge]

So, No, is the short answer. You have just decided the war was illegal.

Thought so.

Its entirely dependand on who you listen too, there still is no one defining ruling ( that I can find ) to say yay/nay. there are laywers saying its legal, there are some saying it was illegal, Blairs advisors warned before the war that it would be deemed illegal.

Even John Prescott is on record saying it was illegal.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Trouble is that Jezza is as ardent a leaver as any of Davis, Gove and Mogg. He currently has his party right where he wants them. There will be no positional change from the Labour Party on Brexit, even though the damage it is about to create is likely to be catastrophic, economically. BMW and Audi don't seem to be riding over the hill to save us, either.....

However the fact must not be forgotten that the referendum was a Tory idea. The resultant political vacuum was created by a Tory leaders abrupt resignation. The party "negotiating" our way out is the Tory party. The party fighting amongst themselves is the Tory party.

It matters not one fucking jot what Corbyn and the Labour party think - at present they are not in power and have no input into what is going on with Brexit - despite being invited to chip in with ideas by Mayday. This whole fuck up is Tory ( and UKIP ) inspired and implemented - its going to be their can to carry. Although having said that I thought we were assured it was Easy Street - a one way ticket to Paradise

 

[MileHighMCFC]

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