'As A City Fan', Would You Like To See Safe Standing Introduced At The Etihad?

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
FFS how many times do I have to say this?
It does not need an act of Parliament because there is no government legislation on standing. It is just a regulation.
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Order and Regulations are legislation, just not primary legislation, but have the same weight as the main act. You can't keep using that argument as it is entirely incorrect.
 
Corky said:
Order and Regulations are legislation, just not primary legislation, but have the same weight as the main act. You can't keep using that argument as it is entirely incorrect.
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Please read this
http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/the-legalities-of-standing/

  • The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’
  • Initially it was planned that all Football League clubs should convert to all-seater status. This was subsequently amended to include just the top two divisions. A similar amendment to allow standing in the Premier League and Championship is also quite possible and would not need a new Act of Parliament.
That is the key, yes there is / was an act passed (Football spectators act) but the bit around all seater stadiums is that the secretary of state MAY (or may not) direct the Football Licesnsing Authority to impose all seated areas.
It simply needs the Secretary for State to declare to the FLA (or whatever they are called now) that the rule need no longer apply.
 
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Please read this
http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/the-legalities-of-standing/

  • The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’
  • Initially it was planned that all Football League clubs should convert to all-seater status. This was subsequently amended to include just the top two divisions. A similar amendment to allow standing in the Premier League and Championship is also quite possible and would not need a new Act of Parliament.
That is the key, yes there is / was an act passed (Football spectators act) but the bit around all seater stadiums is that the secretary of state MAY (or may not) direct the Football Licesnsing Authority to impose all seated areas.
It simply needs the Secretary for State to declare to the FLA (or whatever they are called now) that the rule need no longer apply.
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Which is an order and is legislation, and it would need to include every ground as these orders have been made on ground completion and promotion since. No ground that has ever been made all seater is allowed to go back, the top two division thing isn't entirely correct, it is the top two plus any other ground that have have played in the top two and is subject to a seating only order.

FSF on the ball again.
 
Corky said:
Which is an order and is legislation, and it would need to include every ground as these orders have been made on ground completion and promotion since. No ground that has ever been made all seater is allowed to go back, the top two division thing isn't entirely correct, it is the top two plus any other ground that have have played in the top two and is subject to a seating only order.

FSF on the ball again.
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Sigh
So we have an act that says it is up to the discretion of the secretary of state as to what happens?
No. Laws are laws and are set in stone, not left to the discretion of a secretary of state.
When the rule was relaxed to not include 3rd and 4th divisions stadiums, was an act of Parliament required to lift it?
No, an amendment to the act was made. So why would it be any different to relax the rule all together? It is the same thing.
The whole issue is at the discretion of the secretary of state.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
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So we have an act that says it is up to the discretion of the secretary of state as to what happens?
No. Laws are laws and are set in stone, not left to the discretion of a secretary of state.
When the rule was relaxed to not include 3rd and 4th divisions stadiums, was an act of Parliament required to lift it?
No, an amendment to the act was made. So why would it be any different to relax the rule all together? It is the same thing.
The whole issue is at the discretion of the secretary of state.
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Which goes back to the point I was making. No Secretary of State, another title for a senior government politician, is going to show a couldn't care less attitude when faced with pressure groups representing dozens of deceased people who died for nothing other than watching a football match. Whatever the Secretary may think, he or she will have to appear in public as being caring, understanding, sympathetic and to have the power to carry through the wishes of these poor people. Look, I want standing back as much as anybody, many of my most memorable games were witnessed on packed terraces, but even though SSAs are miles away from those days, no senior politician is going to take a chance on what might appear to many as a retrograde step.
 
Standing in seated stands as they are now is more dangerous than standing in rail seating stands.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Remind me again which set of fans were on the running track pointing guns in the opposition fans direction......
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You know full well who started the trouble inside & outside the ground before and during the match.

The same scouse cnuts who bricked our coaches on 'Hillsborough Day' 2 years ago. DOGS !!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It's just occurred that if the 1.8 ratio is correct, a likely consequence of safe standing would see united beating our 1934 attendance record against Stoke, if the entire Stretford End went all seater.

At least they won't get relegated as champions anytime soon!
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We've already lost that record this season to Spurs.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Spurs hold our attendance record? How does that work?
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The record was for biggest ever home crowd for an English team.

Spurs got 85k at Wembley in a home champions league fixture. Arsenal's biggest ever home crowd was also a CL Wembley home fixture but below our 84k.

We can always still say we have the biggest ever home crowd outside Wembley though!
 
ManCityX said:
The record was for biggest ever home crowd for an English team.

Spurs got 85k at Wembley in a home champions league fixture. Arsenal's biggest ever home crowd was also a CL Wembley home fixture but below our 84k.

We can always still say we have the biggest ever home crowd outside Wembley though!
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And also that it was the biggest English club ground attendance. Wembley is not Spurs' ground to my knowledge so I'm not sure they should get the record.
 
ManCityX said:
The record was for biggest ever home crowd for an English team.

Spurs got 85k at Wembley in a home champions league fixture. Arsenal's biggest ever home crowd was also a CL Wembley home fixture but below our 84k.

We can always still say we have the biggest ever home crowd outside Wembley though!
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I'm well aware of what you post. I said 'crowd record' not 'record crowd' :-)
 
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