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Better Call Saul
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Stephen230
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Some good explanations here which I think are pretty accurate. It was a great way to end it.
I think it would drive me mad if I was some genius writer, knowing that no fucker will actually understand what I’m doing until they have it explained to them afterwards. No way on earth people have picked up on some of these explanations by just watching the show.
I think it would drive me mad if I was some genius writer, knowing that no fucker will actually understand what I’m doing until they have it explained to them afterwards. No way on earth people have picked up on some of these explanations by just watching the show.
Why not? The parallels and references are to known literary and cultural works and themes. Never mind to what is within the show itself at various points.
That is one of the good things about it, not spelling it all out, leaving your own inagination and intelligence as a viewer to complete the picture. That is one of the things that makes it engaging.
Not subtle? it is literally the episode title. Agree, this one is about choosing to ditch Saul and be James again.
And the other part is enabling both him and Kim to start to get over what happened with Lalo and Howard, something neither was able to do, without the other.
Kim left it all, the law, the place, Jimmy and Saul. But even with a new eventless routine life it is clear she still carried it. Saul went the other way, buried it by getting deeper and deeper into his alter-character. Even as Gene he defaulted to Saul, it didn't work for him. As Saul he pulls off a reduced sentence, right up until the point he learns Kim confessed. She made the first move. She is trying to move on. It still isn't enough for her though, not while Saul is still out there. And he knows it. She has taken responsibility for her part, but needs him to do the same for his.
A weight is lifted, but she still isn't back, she still isn't a lawyer, still lives away without much expression. That is why he has her attend, partly to get his redemption with her, but partly to give her hers. And you see it at the end, she has taken it, her smile is back, she is practicing law again, and discussing it with Jimmy. He has finally accepted responsibility.
The three Dickens ghosts I think are the real clever bit in this. He asks two the same question. And gives both a clearly fake different answer, a bit like the joker scars question. It is obvious he has one regret and one point in time in mind, but is not ready to admit it. The third shows us that moment I think. The question isn't asked, nor answered in the chuck flashback. But the two scenes before, and the timetravel reference with the book, suggest this is the moment he would travel to and change. He refuses to talk it out with his brother, which ultimately leads to it all falling apart, leading him to becoming Saul.
Similarly, the finger pistol gun salute he gives Kim at the end us not a token one imo. That is Her moment of regret to travel back to. That was the move she made when she went a bit crazy in the hotel room and came up with the Howard plan. The point she dived in and became as involved, if not more than he did. He does tell her at the time, there is no coming back from this. It is a nice reference and reminder that they both have to live with that.
Agree with pretty much everything except I think Kim gets her own redemption when she confesses, that's why we saw her go to the Florida legal aid place before Jimmy protects her from the civil suit from Howard's widow. That's them showing us she's bouncing back, she's going to do the job she always wanted.
The call from the New Mexico prosecutor interrupts that.
Agree with the 3 ghosts and also think it's a great touch that the day he'd change is the day before the first episode of the show.
I think the finger gun's are not a direct reference to Kim's finger guns, it's a throw back to early on when he'd say "It's all good man" and do the guns all the time. Just them showing us he's back to being jimmy from early seasons and he's happy. You might be right but I think at that point the show is past highlighting all their regrets and is showing us they're moving on with a happy ending.
The call from the New Mexico prosecutor interrupts that.
Agree with the 3 ghosts and also think it's a great touch that the day he'd change is the day before the first episode of the show.
I think the finger gun's are not a direct reference to Kim's finger guns, it's a throw back to early on when he'd say "It's all good man" and do the guns all the time. Just them showing us he's back to being jimmy from early seasons and he's happy. You might be right but I think at that point the show is past highlighting all their regrets and is showing us they're moving on with a happy ending.
Agree with pretty much everything except I think Kim gets her own redemption when she confesses, that's why we saw her go to the Florida legal aid place before Jimmy protects her from the civil suit from Howard's widow. That's them showing us she's bouncing back, she's going to do the job she always wanted.
Agree with the 3 ghosts and also think it's a great touch that the day he'd change is the day before the first episode of the show.
I think the finger gun's are not a reference to Kim's finger guns, it's a throw back to early on when he'd say "It's all good man" and do the guns all the time. Just them showing us he's back to being jimmy from early seasons and he's happy. You might be right but I think at that point the show is past highlighting all their regrets and is showing us they're moving on with a happy ending.
For me it is a bit of both, with Kim. Sure, she starts the recovery after her confession with the legal aid scene, but she is still reserved, still not fully ready. It is only after the relief of Jimmy's court scene you see the old expression back on her face and by the time she visits him she is almost the same kim again.
The finger gun thing, for me, is a bit of both, a nod at jimmy of old, but I personally do think it is a refeence to her involvement too. Her sudden dive into being a bit of a Saul herself was such an iconic moment, and her doing his finger gun thing was what that season ended on. Jimmy was suddey the one fighting it but going along with her, and without her input Howard would never have been dragged as deep into it. I think there is both to it, but maybe I could be adding more than is there. Feels a bit too coincidental. It is almost a, told you this thing is for me not for you look.
Kim, I think, would have been the hardest one for the writers to deal with. Where as other characters that don't apprlear in Breaking Bad could just be written out of it, she had to be written out of it in a way she was gone but still there to be written back in to end the show.
The finger gun thing, for me, is a bit of both, a nod at jimmy of old, but I personally do think it is a refeence to her involvement too. Her sudden dive into being a bit of a Saul herself was such an iconic moment, and her doing his finger gun thing was what that season ended on. Jimmy was suddey the one fighting it but going along with her, and without her input Howard would never have been dragged as deep into it. I think there is both to it, but maybe I could be adding more than is there. Feels a bit too coincidental. It is almost a, told you this thing is for me not for you look.
Kim, I think, would have been the hardest one for the writers to deal with. Where as other characters that don't apprlear in Breaking Bad could just be written out of it, she had to be written out of it in a way she was gone but still there to be written back in to end the show.
Agree with pretty much everything except I think Kim gets her own redemption when she confesses, that's why we saw her go to the Florida legal aid place before Jimmy protects her from the civil suit from Howard's widow. That's them showing us she's bouncing back, she's going to do the job she always wanted.
The call from the New Mexico prosecutor interrupts that.
Agree with the 3 ghosts and also think it's a great touch that the day he'd change is the day before the first episode of the show.
I think the finger gun's are not a direct reference to Kim's finger guns, it's a throw back to early on when he'd say "It's all good man" and do the guns all the time. Just them showing us he's back to being jimmy from early seasons and he's happy. You might be right but I think at that point the show is past highlighting all their regrets and is showing us they're moving on with a happy ending.
One more thing, you and someone else mention you thought Jimmy's coming clean is to save Kim from a civil law suit.
Not sure I get how, or if that really is the case. The threat of a civil law suit, as well as prosecution by the government are both left as a risk, and one she is fully aware of and prepared to live with. I don't see how his imprisonment changes that myself.
Not sure I get how, or if that really is the case. The threat of a civil law suit, as well as prosecution by the government are both left as a risk, and one she is fully aware of and prepared to live with. I don't see how his imprisonment changes that myself.
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what period was Saul and Walter and why was they in that room together ?
what period was Saul and Walter and why was they in that room together ?
That was right near the end of Breaking Bad when they were getting evacuated by the vaccuum cleaner guy.
He leaves them down in the basement for a day or 2 so the initial heat goes down in the manhunt after the DEA finds out everything.
what period was Saul and Walter and why was they in that room together ?
(Spoiler for others)
All the flashbacks are recognisable scenes from both shows. Then expanded a bit. The only one that isn't, is kim's visit with the papers to Saul's office. I found it jarring and unnecessary. It was almost too token. It blurred the line where she just isn't in BB at all, and the show deals with where she is and why quite well. That one though, tries to showhorn her into a world I had accepted she was completely away from.