Better Call Saul

[west didsblue]

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Knowing Nacho's time is up and just waiting for it to come was pretty big too.

The aftemath of all them is more gripping than the deaths themselves for me.

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The murder of Howard was particularly shocking because of the casual nature of it.

 

[bakerdave76]

If anyone is still checking this thread and still not seen the last episode then it's on them!

What about people who are thinking of watching it for the first time?

 

[Stephen230]

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My only minor issue with the final series was Saul’s and even more so Kim’s obsession with bringing down Howard. I get why he didn’t like him and the prossie thing at his business meeting was both in character and entertaining viewing. But the way it then dominated a large chunk of the series, I thought was a bit of overkill and not particularly convincing.

 

[Coatigan]

What about people who are thinking of watching it for the first time?

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They Should (watch it)!

 

[west didsblue]

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My only minor issue with the final series was Saul’s and even more so Kim’s obsession with bringing down Howard. I get why he didn’t like him and the prossie thing at his business meeting was both in character and entertaining viewing. But the way it then dominated a large chunk of the series, I thought was a bit of overkill and not particularly convincing.

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I think it added to the shock value of Howard's murder. Killing off a major character is always more dramatic than killing someone with a bit part.

 

[Coatigan]

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My only minor issue with the final series was Saul’s and even more so Kim’s obsession with bringing down Howard. I get why he didn’t like him and the prossie thing at his business meeting was both in character and entertaining viewing. But the way it then dominated a large chunk of the series, I thought was a bit of overkill and not particularly convincing.

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I think it is a big part of Kim's arc, and ultimately what leads her to being removed from it all for the 6 years during BB. There had to be a believable way of dealing with removing her from Saul's world, without killing her off, and a way back for her.

For me that was the big bombshell of the end of season 4. While we knew angry Lalo would chase down Gus's operations and Nacho was probably doomed, Kim's big turn was the worrying (for her sake) develoment, that could have gone anywhere. I agree, it felt a bit odd so late on, but there were hints Kim had a wild side. There was also the money side to it. Having seen the money Jimmy got off Lalo, and the risk to get it, it was almost treated as a final heist safety net way out. Jimmy kept trying to reign her in and offered ways back, but she got sucked in, and that lead to her breaking point. And ultimately their relationship falling to bits. It had to be something dramatic.

 

[Coatigan]

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I think it added to the shock value of Howard's murder. Killing off a major character is always more dramatic than killing someone with a bit part.

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I might be the only one that just wasn't that shocked or moved by it. Maybe because I watched it late rather than when it came out, and had the next episode to click onto rather than the mid season break to let it sink in. Which immediately then had Lalo's death to top it. Or maybe because I just knew, from the waynit was all set up in the morning of that episode that it was the for Howard. When he appeared at theirs, after the suggestion that Lalo was also heading there, it was a done deal and I was prepared for it. The scene of him being burried next to Lalo resonated more. A straight shooter innocent guy next to a murdering cartel nutter, in a hole nobody will ever find them in.

 

[Stephen230]

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I think it is a big part of Kim's arc, and ultimately what leads her to being removed from it all for the 6 years during BB. There had to be a believable way of dealing with removing her from Saul's world, without killing her off, and a way back for her.

For me that was the big bombshell of the end of season 4. While we knew angry Lalo would chase down Gus's operations and Nacho was probably doomed, Kim's big turn was the worrying (for her sake) develoment, that could have gone anywhere. I agree, it felt a bit odd so late on, but there were hints Kim had a wild side. There was also the money side to it. Having seen the money Jimmy got off Lalo, and the risk to get it, it was almost treated as a final heist safety net way out. Jimmy kept trying to reign her in and offered ways back, but she got sucked in, and that lead to her breaking point. And ultimately their relationship falling to bits. It had to be something dramatic.

Yes, fair points. I’m a bit vague on exactly what happened when now but it just seems from memory like virtually the whole of the first half of the last series was focused on that one sub-plot.

As I said, a minor criticism in a great series though.

I’m already looking forward to giving it a year or two and watching the whole thing again. The attention to detail is meticulous. I’ve already read about a good few things I missed. But I reckon it’s only when watching it a second time that you’ll pick up on even a fraction of the foreshadowing that’s written into it.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Made you look

 

[Coatigan]

Yes, fair points. I’m a bit vague on exactly what happened when now but it just seems from memory like virtually the whole of the first half of the last series was focused on that one sub-plot.

As I said, a minor criticism in a great series though.

I’m already looking forward to giving it a year or two and watching the whole thing again. The attention to detail is meticulous. I’ve already read about a good few things I missed. But I reckon it’s only when watching it a second time that you’ll pick up on even a fraction of the foreshadowing that’s written into it.

Same, I think it is a bit like Nolan's works, better the second time and pick up on a lot more that either doesnt make sense at the time or is just missed out.

My issue was the two filler omaha episodes. I think they were meant to give the audience a pace break, give the feeling of time passing. And they always said they wanted the same number of episodes as BB, so filled a bit. But I just felt they could have been completely omitted, and launced straight into the final 2 and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.