Bobby Manc...anyone had a real change of heart ??

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Just wondered if anyone who really was not a Bobby fan,had a change of heart over the past 10 days.
I accept its early days,but anyone brave enough to admit that yes he`s now trying to set his stall out in a more attacking minded way ??
We all knew that he won the Italian League with a very positive sytle of attacking play.
Perhaps he just didn`t feel confortable with the lack of his "type of player" to move us up,to the next level.
I must admit that I was wary at first, some 18 months ago,but I`ve never publically slated him,but must admit I did not like some of his tactics at the time.
Bring more of it on Bobby when we have to.
Only concern and its not a Bobby problem, but a team one,we need to kill teams off,when we have the chance.
 
oakiecokie said:
Just wondered if anyone who really was not a Bobby fan,had a change of heart over the past 10 days.
I accept its early days,but anyone brave enough to admit that yes he`s now trying to set his stall out in a more attacking minded way ??
We all knew that he won the Italian League with a very positive sytle of attacking play.
Perhaps he just didn`t feel confortable with the lack of his "type of player" to move us up,to the next level.
I must admit that I was wary at first, some 18 months ago,but I`ve never publically slated him,but must admit I did not like some of his tactics at the time.
Bring more of it on Bobby when we have to.
Only concern and its not a Bobby problem, but a team one,we need to kill teams off,when we have the chance.
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i wasnt happy that we were overly negative, but it wasnt as if i wanted him to get the sack either.

so you could say i`m happy bob`s taken my advice to be a bit more possitive, thanks for listening bob.

keep listening and we could win the prem for city.

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r.soleofsalford said:
i wasnt happy that we were overly negative, but it wasnt as if i wanted him to get the sack either.
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That's what I feel. He wants to win but doesn't want to win well. If he sees 38 1-0 wins as the way to top the table then we may as well all leave the ground once we score! There's been too many prolific scorelines to suggest it's "1-0 to the City Boys" throughout (5-1 Birmingham, 6-1 Burnley, 5-0 Sunderland) but I want to see us really take a side apart once in a while.
 
As I'm sure everybody knows I've always been one of Mancini's biggest supporters, however, I would think that most of his detractors would feel vindicated.

There's only a very small number of people who said that Mancini was an incapable manager (and we all know who they are), most of the people criticising him in the past like De Niro always said that we'd be much more successful once he releases the shackles on the players. Not that he was personally a poor manager, but that he was too cautious in his approach.

As we're 2 games in and having won 2 after releasing the shackles, it seems that they were correct.

He did the exact same at Inter when he took over. Played ultra cautious until he got his squad together, then played ultra aggressive and won the league. However, he played a little TOO attacking at Inter, so hopefully he can learn his lesson and find a happy medium.
 
I've always been a supporter, although I must confess I started to have slight doubts after the Chelsea away game last year as this was the first time we'd been pretty much at full strength against another top side and we were still too negative. In that sense I'm sure everyone except the most blindly 'happy clapping' acolytes has questioned his abilities to some extent in the last 20 months.

However at that time I asked myself three questions

-has he, on balance, bought well?
- can I see this team continuing to improve?
-does he deserve the benefit of the doubt?

the answer to all three was a resounding yes, but there's nothing wrong with questioning things in life.

He is now proving to be a masterful leader. He is also a lucky manager which is a good trait to have.

I'm going to make a prediction. I think he will win manager of the year this season.


One point of slight concern though. Am I correct in thinking that his contract only has 21 months left to run? If so, come on City, sort this out.
 
Isn't it a bit early to be having a change of heart?

Two games against Swansea and Bolton (2 average teams), and suddenly Mancini is Mourinho?

We have to see how we do when the CL starts and against the rags and Chelsea before we know how good Mancini is.

Like i have said, i am expecting a proper title challenge this season with the players we have. Mourinho won the league in his 1st season, so i am expecting something similar from Mancini.
 
People around me at the Swansea match were groaning after 15 minutes because we were'nt 'pushing out' and were allowing them to pass the ball backwards in their own half; too many people still devour the cliche's spoon-fed to them by the English 'experts' (generally average players from the 80's) about Italian football being 'negative', choosing to not to point out, whether it out of ignorance, arrogance, or simply a lack of knowledge, that Italian football is massively more succesful, Internationally and at club level, than English football. 'Negative' football is allowing the opposition to score.

Mancini is 18 months his dynasty, and the positve evolution of the team is evident in the results; nobody in world football would be doing a better job than him right now, as a tactician or as an ambassador for the club at a time of intense, constant media scrutiny.

We will win the title this season.
 
peoffrey said:
r.soleofsalford said:
i wasnt happy that we were overly negative, but it wasnt as if i wanted him to get the sack either.
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That's what I feel. He wants to win but doesn't want to win well. If he sees 38 1-0 wins as the way to top the table then we may as well all leave the ground once we score! There's been too many prolific scorelines to suggest it's "1-0 to the City Boys" throughout (5-1 Birmingham, 6-1 Burnley, 5-0 Sunderland) but I want to see us really take a side apart once in a while.
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lets see what happens, i`m hoping the signs of change shown against swansea and bolton werent just a mirage
 
I'm not really sure why people don't see the progress.

Last season whilst we were negative a little with some tactics. Arsenal away springs to mind.

We have become a very difficult side to beat and very good defensively. And I absolutely agree that we need this to be a real contender.

Keegan or Hughes were never really going to be title contenders with their tactics. 'You score 3, we'll score 4'. That is o.k. once or twice a season but not every game.

Look at the 3-3 away at Bolton two years ago. Two and fro and we looked really dodgy defensively.

Yesterday however the stats spoke for themselves. I think is was 13 shots with 8 on target. Whilst we let them back in with their goals actually we never really looked under too much pressure.

I've seen a great no nonsense attitude from Mancini. Clearly the attitude of Bellamy and Adebayor is why they are on the 'get rid' list. Both have spoken about Mancini to the press indirectly and he will not stand for that. He put up with Tevez's antics a lot but only because we really, really needed him last year. I wonder if his attitude towards Tevez has now changed slightly. i.e. If you want to go, go.

Forza Mancini I say. Lead us to the promised land and stop us being a laughing stock!
 
I for one do not want to see much more of this 'loosening of shackles' approach atleast against bigger teams. I believe that this approach will lead to defeats against more prolific teams. I much prefer the 1-0 wins.
 
I didnt like him,and I am still to be totally convinced due to the negative style of football , HOWEVER I dont think you can fault him at the moment, the end to last season was awesome, at one point the FA cup was still only a distant dream (draw v Man U) and fourth place was looking dodgy. But to put the run together to finnish 3rd and win the cup as well, saved his job.The signings so far have been very good and the football appears more positive ( lets see what happens at Spurs).I was also pleased to see yesterday that he is willing to be flexible and I was very impressed that he left three up front when defending corners (aka Mark Hughes against Stoke / delap ).I also like Mancini when he is interviewed.
I still think some of his buys last year need to do a bit more this season (dzeko,Balo and Kolo) but I would expect them to improve or be moved on.The early signs are that this is happening with Dzeko looking good and Kolo looking ok in pre season and not bad yesterday.
 
As one who is willing to admit to having reservations regarding Mancini's tactics,selections and formations,I would say that the jury is still out.
Yes,we have been more attack-minded in our opening two games,but then I would have been pretty miffed had we not been positive against Swansea and Bolton.
The acid test will be whether or not we go out all guns blazing against genuine title contenders.
I really hope that we do - if we knock in three or four in every game,I don't see our defence conceding four or five very often.
Some will never be satisfied,whatever we do.
I remember going in the pub after we put ten past Huddersfield,and some miserable twat was moaning that we should have had a dozen.
 
I can't say I'm convinced by him still. I'm not anti-Mancini as such but there are still things that bug me.

Most recently was his spoilt child type of attitude to getting in new players. Before that it was taking Balotelli off after the backheel. Before that many many things. Only this.

To be honest I think he is a crazy egomaniac. But if we are getting the results (and we are) and we aren't cheating (and we're not) and we are playing attractive football (and we are) then I'm happy with Mancini.

P.S. I'm sure Mancini is really bothered what I think of him.

P.S. eile. I'll still sing his name with joy! And the big test is Spurs. If we beat them without being ultra defensive then ... Wow! ('cos I thin Spurs are much stronger than people are giving them credit for - better than Arsenal and Liverpool easily imo - watch them now get tonked tonight :-)
 
I believe the adage is "build from the back". Mancini had no choice but to instill discipline and ruthless defending into the team first. There's no point playing full backs as wingers and committing midfielders forward, if we can't then defend the many counter-attacks coming our way.
 
I doubted if he was the right man at one stage last season but always hoped he would prove me wrong. I thought the last few games of last season we started to look like a decent side & that has continued at the start of this season. So far so good this season, it's still early days but he seems to be doing the business. I can't think of another manager who I would want to swap Bobby for at the moment.
 
What gets me is fans are so fickle 3rd and fa cup win! What does it take to have no doubts in a manager?

We have had some garbage managers in the past, we have a good one now hope he stays for a very very long time...
 
People will always doubt him and people will always say they were behind him right from the word off. Some people think the kind of football he wants his team to play at times is boring, negative, defensive and whatever other words you want to call it. I prefer to call it patient football, both in respect to how we've played since he came and in acknowledgement of the job he needed to do

He came in under circumstances where we were conceding goals in near enough every game, we had to pattern to our play and possession football was not what we were good at. As shown under Hughes it's no good going all out and scored 2 or 3 if you are conceding the same amount. He sorted things out at the back almost straight away and last season defensively we were superb. There were signs all throughout last season that the way Mancini wanted us to play was coming together, he wants us to keep the ball and be patient. Theres not a need to pass the ball forward at every oppurtunity, sometimes it's all about keeping the ball and waiting for a gap to open up

We signed a number of players in the summer last season and added Dzeko in January, the players we signed in the summer hardly had a pre season together so it was always going to take time, players don't just start training and begin to understand how each other play straight away, it's always going to take time to get used to the other players and understand what the manager wants

We saw towards the end of last season a greater understanding between the players and even though we've only signed a few players this summer albeit one of them being one of the best players in world football, we were always going to be better this season because the players have had a proper pre season, they know where they stand with the manager and how he wants them to play and it's looking extremely promising

People have wanted Mancini out at various times throughout his time here which i always said was ridiculous, he deserved to be given time as he's an outstanding manager
 
waspish said:
What gets me is fans are so fickle 3rd and fa cup win! What does it take to have no doubts in a manager?

We have had some garbage managers in the past, we have a good one now hope he stays for a very very long time...
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surely it is fickle to complain about him then bum him to death when we win the fa cup and get 3rd?

the use of the word fickle is completley wrong
 
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