Bony (Season long loan at Stoke - Official)

[kaz7]

 

[itisrising]

No, I can't remember a time when we had Aguero, Tevez, Negredo and Džeko.

I remember when we were stocked with top strikers that none of them were ever happy though, you're not going to get anyone better than Bony to sit on the bench. As for taking shots that's his job. His hold up play is fantastic as well and gives us an option that only Negredo has given us since the takeover.

My mistake, I meant Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko and Balo. Then we had Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo and Jovetic.

It's not about being stocked up with the striker, it's the quality. Bony isn't ideal in this club and only works best when the system of play suits his limited abilties.

And that statement that 'you're not going to get anyone better than Bony to sit on the bench' is false because we have Iheanacho who's been on the bench at the expense of Bony even though he's been far more impressive highlighting better movement, positional awareness and clinical finishing.

His job is to take shots and score. Not be selfish and sky numerous chances. And so what if he has good hold-up play when his other technical abilties are poor? Negredo (first 6 months) is what a big man with great technical abilty looks like in our squad. He scored 23 goals in 6 months!

 

[itisrising]

Charlie Austin anyone?

Why not really?

 

[Dax777]

Again, De Bruyne has been creating chances at will but there's a lack of quality up front to put them away.

You also can't account for injuries. Sterling is not, nor will he ever be a striker. He'll chip in but he'll create more so having someone to put those chances away is better that sticking him up front with the standard of his finishing.

3 striking options is not enough, especially with only one being an experienced, recognized but injury plagued striker and another being a winger with poor finishing. No level of bollocks will sway me otherwise. Silva and Kev canset them up all they like but putting them away is another matter, hence why Sterling is not a striker.

It's not as easy as "stick Sterling up front in case of an emergency" I'd rather avoid there being an emergency in the first place. It's presumptuous shite like that which was abundant when the likes of Fernando signed and everyone thought we'd be a brick wall. Then it's put into practice and shows people know less than they think but it's easy to sound smart.

Oh stop. You make it sound like having the appellation of striker affixed to your name on the sheet makes one suddenly score better. Sterling as wasteful as he is, is more accurate than Bony and a boat load of strikers in the league.

Kevin is a better striker of the ball than 95% of the strikers in the league too, and just coz he has MF affixed to his name on the sheet doesn't change that.

I remember us going undefeated through December without a recognized striker, then they all came back and we started losing.

Likeci said, personally i will not bring in a striker in January. We have a starter, a young exciting prospect, and 2 midfielders who are capable deputies.

Bringing in a striker in January will more likely than not turn out the exact way it has in the past. Adding h little or no impact at all. While further stunting the development of a budding striker.

 

[itisrising]

Oh stop. You make it sound like having the appellation of striker affixed to your name on the sheet makes one suddenly score better. Sterling as wasteful as he is, is more accurate than Bony and a boat load of strikers in the league.

Kevin is a better striker of the ball than 95% of the strikers in the league too, and just coz he has MF affixed to his name on the sheet doesn't change that.

I remember us going undefeated through December without a recognized striker, then they all came back and we started losing.

Likeci said, personally i will not bring in a striker in January. We have a starter, a young exciting prospect, and 2 midfielders who are capable deputies.

Bringing in a striker in January will more likely than not turn out the exact way it has in the past. Adding h little or no impact at all. While further stunting the development of a budding striker.

Yup, we played some of our best football for Dave playing as the false nine similar to his role in the Spanish side.

Nacho, Kun, Sterling is fine as our striking options. It will allow us to play to our strengths rather than try to accomodate Bony.

 

[pudge]

Yes, its am assumption. Just like yours that we need more strikers. Neither is a fact, both are assumptions, so its redundant pointing that out.

As for your " point on Dzeko and Negredo" still standing? Well, only if you pretend to be oblivious to the point being made.

Here is the point, a young striker and Speedy attacking midfielder are more likely to be just as productive in a system they are already comfortable in, as an average or good striker who is coming in cold halfway thru the season.

That in a nutshell was the point. But if you want to know how Dzeko is truly relevant to this discussion, check how many goals he scored after joining us in January of 2011 - 6 goals. But I'm sure you already knew that.

But seeing as that supports my position that bringing in a new backup is unlikely to be more productive than using what we have on the bench l.E. Kelechi and Sterling, you underplayed it.

So here is the real question here, do you think Kelechi and Sterling can muster 6 to 8 goals between them over the next 6 months just like Dzeko did when he came in cold in January or like Bony did when he came incold last January?

Our history of buying backup strikers in January has shown to bring us no serious value towards the rest of the season that Kelechi and Sterling can't cover.

That is the point!!!

I'm not limiting it to January, Bony's going nowhere because there's nobody to bring in. Add I'll add I'd rather we sold him as he's a square peg in a round hole.

If you wish to talk about history, my assumption that we would benefit from the option of a recognized striker rather than putting a winger up front, again our recent honours would support that. There's more evidence of success for our "style of play" with a striker up front, or a striker replacing a striker, than when we stuck Jimmy up front; swimming in medals that season weren't we.

Your points on Bony and Dzeko's initial spells are redundant as you are limiting this to movement NOW. For whatever odd reason, you decided that, I haver not underplayed anything. What about Negredo's first 6 months? He scored 20 did he not by this stage of the season, are you underplaying that?

Your assumptions, again which holds considerably less validity and evidence is all predicated on right now. When in reality the likelihood of being able to bring in a quality striker, not cup tied and wouldn't cost the moon is non existent in January hence why I have never set a time frame on when we would need a replacement. I don't know where you got that exact presumption.

Arsenal have been in dire need of a striker for ages, someone who'll put the ball in the net. If they had more invested in that department it's almost unfathomable that they would not have a league title the last 10 years.

Chelsea have suffered this season by putting all their eggs in Costa's basket. They've stuck Hazard up front with your model and done fuck all.

United with Rooney, they sold RVP and brought no one in to address the goals they'd be missing. Rooney plays shite and they're shite, they've began to address that with Martial. Depay up front in your model would be shite, they'd tell you that.

Liverpool didn't replace Suarez, Sturridge is a crock so they went and got Benteke this season and that's still not enough. Lallana up front etc would do fuck all.

Everyone's a smart arse with their niches and ideas on football until it's put into practice. Like Fernando, like Garcia, like Mangala. We should be impenetrable at this point going off everyone's starting XI's and thoughts on how those players would do and the team.

EDIT: To address your last post, again your limiting it to January so....

What have we won without a sustained lack of a striker's presence? A handful of games doesn't reel in the honours.

 

[Ajm1985]

Probably going to get hammered for this, but if Bony goes, Javier Hernandez wouldn't be expensive, scores consistently and is well accustomed to the bench

 

[itisrising]

I'm not limiting it to January, Bony's going nowhere because there's nobody to bring.

If you wish to talk about history, my assumption that we would benefit from the option of a recognized striker rather than putting a winger up front, again our recent honours would support that. There's more evidence of success for our "style of play" with a striker up front, or a striker replacing a striker, than when we stuck Jimmy up front; swimming in medals that season weren't we.

Your points on Bony and Dzeko's initial spells are redundant as you are limiting this to movement NOW. For whatever odd reason, you decided that, I haver not underplayed anything. What about Negredo's first 6 months? He scored 20 did he not by this stage of the season, are you underplaying that?

Your assumptions, again which holds considerably less validity and evidence is all predicated on right now. When in reality the likelihood of being able to bring in a quality striker, not cup tied and wouldn't cost the moon is non existent in January hence why I have never set a time frame on when we would need a replacement. I don't know where you got that exact presumption.

Arsenal have been in dire need of a striker for ages, someone who'll put the ball in the net. If they had more invested in that department it's almost unfathomable that they would not have a league title the last 10 years.

Chelsea have suffered this season by putting all their eggs in Costa's basket. They've stuck Hazard up front with your model and done fuck all.

United with Rooney, they sold RVP and brought no one in to address the goals they'd be missing. Rooney plays shite and they're shite, they've began to address that with Martial. Depay up front in your model would be shite, they'd tell you that.

Liverpool didn't replace Suarez, Sturridge is a crock so they went and got Benteke this season and that's still not enough. Lallana up front etc would do fuck all.

EDIT: To address your last post, again your limiting it to January so....

What have we won without a sustained lack of a striker's presence? A handful of games doesn't reel in the honours.

And this is Bony's issue.

 

[pudge]

And this is Bony's issue.

Right, and I'd rather replace him with someone who will; a better striker.

 

[aguerooo93]

Yup, we played some of our best football for Dave playing as the false nine similar to his role in the Spanish side.

Nacho, Kun, Sterling is fine as our striking options. It will allow us to play to our strengths rather than try to accomodate Bony.

Agree with this. Also, someone earlier said that we shouldn't rely on attacking midfielders for goals and that it's better to put that pressure on a back-up striker....FYI, De Bruyne is joint top-scorer this season with 11 and Sterling has scored 9. In other words, two of our attacking midfielders have scored over a third of our goals this season.