Bony (Season long loan at Stoke - Official)

[aguerooo93]

Right, and I'd rather replace him with someone who will; a better striker.

Why? So said striker can rot on the bench while Iheanacho gets even less game time?

 

[Max]

Charlie Austin anyone?

Number 9 is available...

 

[itisrising]

Right, and I'd rather replace him with someone who will; a better striker.

TBH, I'd prefer a forward with great movement that can free up space for our attacking players as opposed to a stationary target that can only hold up the ball decently.

 

[pudge]

Why? So said striker can rot on the bench while Iheanacho gets even less game time?

It would still be 3 striking options, the same as your "Aguero/Sterling/Iheanacho" so I don't see the problem?

Negredo, Aguero, Dzeko and Jovetic was three-ish strikers.

Tevez, Aguero, Dzeko and Balotellis was three-ish strikers, for different reasons.

That level of depth would be best suited for a team challenging for four honours.

Aguero, "x", Iheanacho and Sterling/De Bruyne etc would fit that but Bony would have to be replaced with a goal scorer, a recognised striker that would suit our play. You can't look at what we've done this season as black and white and say we could just do away with Bony. The league's been poor, goals are down for ourselves. If we replaced Bony with a Javier Hernandez say, how would that be bad?

 

[Dax777]

I'm not limiting it to January, Bony's going nowhere because there's nobody to bring in. Add I'll add I'd rather we sold him as he's a square peg in a round hole.

If you wish to talk about history, my assumption that we would benefit from the option of a recognized striker rather than putting a winger up front, again our recent honours would support that. There's more evidence of success for our "style of play" with a striker up front, or a striker replacing a striker, than when we stuck Jimmy up front; swimming in medals that season weren't we.

Your points on Bony and Dzeko's initial spells are redundant as you are limiting this to movement NOW. For whatever odd reason, you decided that, I haver not underplayed anything. What about Negredo's first 6 months? He scored 20 did he not by this stage of the season, are you underplaying that?

Your assumptions, again which holds considerably less validity and evidence is all predicated on right now. When in reality the likelihood of being able to bring in a quality striker, not cup tied and wouldn't cost the moon is non existent in January hence why I have never set a time frame on when we would need a replacement. I don't know where you got that exact presumption.

Arsenal have been in dire need of a striker for ages, someone who'll put the ball in the net. If they had more invested in that department it's almost unfathomable that they would not have a league title the last 10 years.

Chelsea have suffered this season by putting all their eggs in Costa's basket. They've stuck Hazard up front with your model and done fuck all.

United with Rooney, they sold RVP and brought no one in to address the goals they'd be missing. Rooney plays shite and they're shite, they've began to address that with Martial. Depay up front in your model would be shite, they'd tell you that.

Liverpool didn't replace Suarez, Sturridge is a crock so they went and got Benteke this season and that's still not enough. Lallana up front etc would do fuck all.

Everyone's a smart arse with their niches and ideas on football until it's put into practice. Like Fernando, like Garcia, like Mangala. We should be impenetrable at this point going off everyone's starting XI's and thoughts on how those players would do and the team.

EDIT: To address your last post, again your limiting it to January so....

What have we won without a sustained lack of a striker's presence? A handful of games doesn't reel in the honours.

Yes I limited it to January because the discussion preceding my original statement was about selling Bony to Swansea. To which someone said "who do we bring?" I then added my comments to that on going discussion by stating Aguero, Kelechi and Sterling could handle it if we sold Bony. Clearly, I was limiting it to this window and the rest of the season.

I mean one would think my statement saying " with about 30 games left, if Aguero could fully go 15-20, I believe Kelechi and Sterling could hand 10-15", I mean what else could I have been talking about but the rest of the season?

As for Negredo, I thought it was obvious why I ignored him in the discussion, he didn't come in cold in January!

As for your point about teams with poor strikers, again this buttresses my point that having the appellation of striker doesn't mean you'd score more. Benteke has it at Liverpool, isn't making him score more though, Costs has it at Chelsea, still isn't making him score more either. And these are strikers who are already better than anyone we are likely to get.

Strikers in January have been average to horrendous, hence why I wouldn't bring any in if we sold Bony.

 

[pudge]

Yes I limited it to January because the discussion preceding my original statement was about selling Bony to Swansea. To which someone said "who do we bring?" I then added my comments to that on going discussion by stating Aguero, Kelechi and Sterling could handle it if we sold Bony. Clearly, I was limiting it to this window and the rest of the season.

I mean one would think my statement saying " with about 30 games left, if Aguero could fully go 15-20, I believe Kelechi and Sterling could hand 10-15", I mean what else could I have been talking about but the rest of the season?

As for Negredo, I thought it was obvious why I ignored him in the discussion, he didn't come in cold in January!

As for your point about teams with poor strikers, again this buttresses my point that having the appellation of striker doesn't mean you'd score more. Benteke has it at Liverpool, isn't making him score more though, Costs has it at Chelsea, still isn't making him score more either. And these are strikers who are already better than anyone we are likely to get.

Strikers in January have been average to horrendous, hence why I wouldn't bring any in if we sold Bony.

Precisely, and they have no one else in terms of depth to shoulder that burden. That's my point, you've just underlined it, cheers. Chelsea have to put Hazard up front and that's not doing it either.

We won't sell Bony because there's no one to bring in.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Bony to Swansea would be great, hope we promote Iheanacheo to number 2 striker, Bony is not the striker we need or want

 

[itisrising]

Precisely, and they have no one else in terms of depth to shoulder that burden. That's my point, you've just underlined it, cheers. Chelsea have to put Hazard up front and that's not doing it either.

We won't sell Bony because there's no one to bring in.

There are players to bring in, but we don't need to. Look how many forwards Barca, Bayern, Madrid etc have. As long as we have talented offensive players like De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva etc, we'll be fine when it comes to scoring goals.

 

[KCblue]

Whether we'd actually do it or not, if we sold Bony this window I could see us making a move for Berahino.

 

[pudge]

There are players to bring in, but we don't need to. Look how many forwards Barca, Bayern, Madrid etc have. As long as we have talented offensive players like De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva etc, we'll be fine when it comes to scoring goals.

There's no one that we could bring in at the desired level, that wouldn't cost the moon and could play in the CL. January limits your options both in that regard and bedding a player in.

We went how long without an away goal all with the offensive players you mentioned? We've most certainly not be fine for goals in that regard. If anything we're under performing when it comes to scoring.