Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[Ruhr]

1. FC Köln is ahead with 48 points, followed by Greuther Fürth 44 points.
Then there are several clubs changing positions regularly.
3. SC Paderborn 42
4. FC St. Pauli 41
5. Karlsruher SC 39
6. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 38
7. Union Berlin 38

SC Paderborn would be a real sensation and a club, that really has no infrastructure for Bundesliga 1.

At the bottom

13. FC Ingolstadt 30
14. VfL Bochum 30
15. Erzgebirge Aue 30
16. Arminia Bielefeld 25
17. Dynamo Dresden 24
18. Energie Cottbus 20

Cottbus was a hopeless case, but with their new coach Jörg Böhme they had a comeback in recent matches. Still it looks like east germany faces another loss of professional football.

In former years you sometimes had great talents in Bundesliga 2, but these days they go to Bundesliga clubs at a very early age. Leon Goretzka (Schalke) and Hakan Calhanoglu (Hamburger SV) were the last examples. So key players in Bundesliga 2 are really second division players, not hidden stars. The only exception comes to my mind is Timo Horn, the 20-year-old goalkeeper of 1. FC Köln.

 

[Maldeika]

The last few games should remind a lot of Dortmund fans where they would be without Reus this year. The answer is midtable and probably out of the Europa League. Dortmund are learning now that you cannot keep taking the cheap way out. You get what you pay for and if they don't invest heavily in the summer, both in replacing Gotze and Lewandowski and keeping Hummels, Reus and Gundogan then they will fall.

Today I read they have 30 million EUR to invest in the transfermarket - and the 7 million for Sahin and the 8 to 10 million EUR for Ramos are already a part of this...

The Dortmund fans "dream" of an investment of 80 million EUR...

Gündogan will not be back before the World Cup - he somehow is a big questionmark where nobody knows what really happens. I do not see a transfer in summer - who would take that risk?

And the German national team...

Full of injuries... let's see who will be fit and in shape in summer.

Schmelzer is out the next 4 weeks - Höwedes the next 2 months. That in addition to all others that are already missing and who are a big questionmark.

 

[bayern blade]

http://thebundesligauk.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/matchday-26-preview/ Matchday 26 preview.

-- Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:23 pm --

Can anyone give me an update on the Bundesliga 2. Who looks likely for promotion, key players etc. I presume Kaiserslautern, Cologne and St. Pauli are up there. What's going on for relegation too. Thanks.

Koeln and Fuerth should go up, Paderborn have made a surprise dash into third. Cottbus, Dresden and Bielefeld look favourites for relegation.

 

[supercrystal7]

The last few games should remind a lot of Dortmund fans where they would be without Reus this year. The answer is midtable and probably out of the Europa League. Dortmund are learning now that you cannot keep taking the cheap way out. You get what you pay for and if they don't invest heavily in the summer, both in replacing Gotze and Lewandowski and keeping Hummels, Reus and Gundogan then they will fall.

Today I read they have 30 million EUR to invest in the transfermarket - and the 7 million for Sahin and the 8 to 10 million EUR for Ramos are already a part of this...

The Dortmund fans "dream" of an investment of 80 million EUR...

Gündogan will not be back before the World Cup - he somehow is a big questionmark where nobody knows what really happens. I do not see a transfer in summer - who would take that risk?

And the German national team...

Full of injuries... let's see who will be fit and in shape in summer.

Schmelzer is out the next 4 weeks - Höwedes the next 2 months. That in addition to all others that are already missing and who are a big questionmark.

On Germany I think the world cup is not yet your time. The injuries have not helped and though I have favoured Khedira being dropped, the Bender brothers have had poor seasons and the Madrid man is great from team moral I here. I guess if Lahm continues to play in the middle the Boateng might be moved to right back. I think the Euros and the World Cup in Russia will be Germany's. Hard to see anyone stopping them.

Gundogan has a lot of potential so there will still be some ready to take the risk. United took the risk with RVN, back when ACL injuries usually ended careers. I hope he stays and it would be best for him.

30 million Euros is a joke if they want to stay ahead of Schalke and Wolfsburg let alone catch Bayern. It's incredibly stupid that they did not sell Lewandowski for 30+ million in the summer. Bayern made the offer and they could then have had suitable funds to buy a replacement.

If your figures are correct that would mean they only have around 12 million Euros to replace Gotze and that's a joke. Their lack of technical ability and creativity is killing them.

Dortmund fans dream of 80 million and that's what they need to compete with Bayern. They need to get lucky and draw United to have a chance of making the semi.

Really Dortmund need a top striker.

Lukaku/Dzeko/Gomez would all be 25 million Euros at least.
If Gundogan stays then they can be content with Sahin at 7 million euros.
They then need another creative midfielder to truly replace Gotze. These don't come cheap and they will need around 30 million euros to do this.

Then they could possibly sell Mkhitaryan to England for around 30 million Euros and invest in a top winger like the Barca boy Deulofeu.

So to sum it in a perfect world to compete with Bayern they need to keep Gundogan, Hummels and Reus.

Spend
7 million Euros on Sahin
10 million Euros on Ramos
15 million Euros on Werner
25 million Euros on Meyer
15 million Euros on Deulofeu

That's around 70 millon Euros and they can only get money back if they decide to sell Mkhitaryan. Schalke are in a better position, but I don't trust them to make the most of it.

 

[Ruhr]

Jürgen Klopp had a busy week by the way.
After Bayern manager Matthias Sammer said, that Bayern is so far ahead of the rest, because they work so hard at every training session and others possibly not, Klopp replied, that Sammer should thank god every single day for Bayern giving him a job. Bayern wouldn´t have a single point less without Sammer.
The following match he was sent off by the ref and after the match he attacked a female reporter, saying that he was there for work, not for a holiday like others (like her, he meant).
And after the CL match he met tv pundit Oliver Kahn in a tv studio. Kahn had criticised Klopp for showing no respect to Sammer. Asked by the reporter, if his relationship to Kahn is okay again, Klopp replied: "We never had a relationship." If looks could kill.
Someone has taken away his pills this week.

 

[supercrystal7]

Jürgen Klopp had a busy week by the way.
After Bayern manager Matthias Sammer said, that Bayern is so far ahead of the rest, because they work so hard at every training session and others possibly not, Klopp replied, that Sammer should thank god every single day for Bayern giving him a job. Bayern wouldn´t have a single point less without Sammer.
The following match he was sent off by the ref and after the match he attacked a female reporter, saying that he was there for work, not for a holiday like others (like her, he meant).
And after the CL match he met tv pundit Oliver Kahn in a tv studio. Kahn had criticised Klopp for showing no respect to Sammer. Asked by the reporter, if his relationship to Kahn is okay again, Klopp replied: "We never had a relationship." If looks could kill.
Someone has taken his pills away this week.

LOL. At least things are interesting when Klopp is around.

 

[Maldeika]

@Ruhr

Something to laugh about - I guess not only Bayern fans will like that. It is impossible to translate this.

### BREAKING NEWS ### BREAKING NEWS ###

Watzke: ,,Mittagessen für BVB-Fans bis auf Weiteres gestrichen"
BVB demontiert alle Stadion-Fressbuden

Der Sauerländer an sich ist zwar gemeinhin als Sturkopf, aber eigentlich nicht als impulsiver Entscheider bekannt. Trotzdem macht BVB-Geschäftsführer und -Vorbeter Joachim Watzke nun ernst, nachdem ihm beim ChampionsLeague-Heimspiel gegen Zenit St. Petersburg (1:2) endgültig der Ar$ch geplatzt ist (was nicht weiter schlimm war, da er wie eh und je einen Großteil der Partie auf dem verschlossenen Stadionklo verfolgte).

Zum Hintergrund: Trotz der brutal-endgeil ermalochten 1:2-Niederlage und dem damit verbundenen Weiterkommen ins Viertelfinale, quittierten die obergeilsten Erfolgs-Kunden des Universums den BVB-Vollgasfußball mit ungeilem Geseufze statt dem gewohnt dumpf-stupiden Abjubeln.

Möchtegern-Erfolgstrainer, Werbekasper und Kamel-Gesichtsdouble Jürgen "Pöhler" Klopp zeigte sich verstimmt: ,,Es kann nicht sein das diese Leute, die mein Millionengehalt mit Flaschenpfand und Hartz4 finanzieren, hier Kritik üben, nur weil ich zu faul und zu dämlich bin mir nach fünf Jahren mal eine neue Taktik oder Kabinenansprache zu überlegen. Vielmehr sollten sie jeden Morgen dem lieben Gott danken das sie Fan von Borussia Dortmund sein dürfen, denn ich bin mir sicher, auch ohne sie hätten wir keinen Punkt weniger geholt. Wer das anders sieht, dem schreie ich meine Meinung auch gerne aus 5 Zentimetern lautstark ins Gesicht."

Als Reaktion auf das schändliche Verhalten der Fans wird der BVB, vorerst bis zum Jahresende, alle Fressbuden in und um den geilen Zeckentempel abreissen. Davon betroffen ist auch die Kult-Pommesbude von BVB-Stadionsprecher, -Urgestein und Kernasi Norbert Dickel (spontane Reaktion: ,,Ach du Schaiße..."). Watzke: ,,Wir bleiben unserer brutal-authentischen Linie treu. Für die Fans gibt es bis auf Weiteres kein Mittagessen mehr." Und weiter: ,,Wir werden das Verhalten der Fans in nächster Zeit ganz genau beobachten ob hier nicht mit zweierlei Maß gemessen wird." Die Hauptschuld sieht Watzke aber ganz woanders: ,,Es liegt auf der Hand das der FC Bayern, allen voran Matthias Sammer, hier die Hauptschuld trägt. Sie haben nicht nur unser Team zerstört, was natürlich völlig legitim ist und von mir auch nur noch 119 weitere Male als Begründung für unsere eigene Unfähigkeit vorgeschoben wird, sondern sie haben auf hinterhältigste Weise unseren Fans gezeigt das man schönen und erfolgreichen Fußball auch über längere Zeit praktizieren kann und damit die Ansprüche ins Unermessliche geschraubt."

Bei facebook und im Fanforum von bvbpauer.de kochten nach der Veröffentlichung der Entscheidung die Emotionen hoch:

"Schaiss Judas!!!!! (oder worum gehts?)" - Malte F. aus Lüttgendortmund

"Super. Da hat der Aki es den schaiss Buyern ja mal wieder richtig gezeigt" - Jackeliene M. aus Lüdenscheid

"Ist mir egal. In der Kabine steht immer genug zu essen." - Kevin G. aus Dortmund

Durch die fehlenden Imbiss-Einnahmen, ein Durchschnitts-BVB-Fan vernichtet pro Halbzeit etwa 20 Dosen Brinkhoffs, sinkt der BVB-Etat in der kommenden Saison um ca 50%. ,,Das sehen wir ganz entspannt. Unsere Spieler werden sowieso mit #EchterLiebe bezahlt und für meinen Jahresbonus in Millionenhöhe reichts noch so gerade eben", so ein entspannter Watzke.

(Quelle: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.anonyme-insiderinfos-fuer-stern-journalisten.de.vu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">www.anonyme-insiderinfos-fuer-stern-journalisten.de.vu</a>)

 

[Bembeltown]

I was just thinking about a way to translate

"Zum Hintergrund: Trotz der brutal-endgeil ermalochten 1:2-Niederlage und dem damit verbundenen Weiterkommen ins Viertelfinale, quittierten die obergeilsten Erfolgs-Kunden des Universums den BVB-Vollgasfußball mit ungeilem Geseufze statt dem gewohnt dumpf-stupiden Abjubeln."

to english.

Haha, that wouldn´t be pretty....

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

http://thebundesligauk.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/matchday-26-preview/ Matchday 26 preview.

-- Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:23 pm --

Can anyone give me an update on the Bundesliga 2. Who looks likely for promotion, key players etc. I presume Kaiserslautern, Cologne and St. Pauli are up there. What's going on for relegation too. Thanks.

Koeln and Fuerth should go up, Paderborn have made a surprise dash into third. Cottbus, Dresden and Bielefeld look favourites for relegation.

Will Paderborn be like Fuerth and Braunschweig if they go up?<br /><br />-- Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:38 am --<br /><br />

1. FC Köln is ahead with 48 points, followed by Greuther Fürth 44 points.
Then there are several clubs changing positions regularly.
3. SC Paderborn 42
4. FC St. Pauli 41
5. Karlsruher SC 39
6. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 38
7. Union Berlin 38

SC Paderborn would be a real sensation and a club, that really has no infrastructure for Bundesliga 1.

At the bottom

13. FC Ingolstadt 30
14. VfL Bochum 30
15. Erzgebirge Aue 30
16. Arminia Bielefeld 25
17. Dynamo Dresden 24
18. Energie Cottbus 20

Cottbus was a hopeless case, but with their new coach Jörg Böhme they had a comeback in recent matches. Still it looks like east germany faces another loss of professional football.

In former years you sometimes had great talents in Bundesliga 2, but these days they go to Bundesliga clubs at a very early age. Leon Goretzka (Schalke) and Hakan Calhanoglu (Hamburger SV) were the last examples. So key players in Bundesliga 2 are really second division players, not hidden stars. The only exception comes to my mind is Timo Horn, the 20-year-old goalkeeper of 1. FC Köln.

Thanks, it would be good to get teams like Cologne and St. Pauli back in the Bundesliga. I don't think it's helped in recent years that "smaller" teams have been promoted, as they have no infrastructure to play in the Bundesliga. So it would be good to get some of the "bigger" teams back.

 

[Ruhr]

Will Paderborn be like Fuerth and Braunschweig if they go up?

.

even worse. Paderborn is a city of around 140,000 inhabitants. Most people in the region are Borussia Dortmund or Schalke 04 fans. The leading club around was always Arminia Bielefeld.

Their average attendance is 9,500. Capacity of the ground is 15,000 and it is one of that new cheap "Do-it-yourself"-looking grounds near to the next Autobahn. As i´ve read recently, they ae not allowed to play after 10 pm because of the noise pollution. Wonder, what they will do on friday evening matches in the Bundesliga.

Their budget is about 6 million Euros, even among the lowest in Bundesliga 2 and it was a local furniture retailer, who spent most of that money over the years.


Some may know the city, it was home of a tank brigade of the british army, i think

 

[Ruhr]

I was just thinking about a way to translate

"Zum Hintergrund: Trotz der brutal-endgeil ermalochten 1:2-Niederlage und dem damit verbundenen Weiterkommen ins Viertelfinale, quittierten die obergeilsten Erfolgs-Kunden des Universums den BVB-Vollgasfußball mit ungeilem Geseufze statt dem gewohnt dumpf-stupiden Abjubeln."

to english.

Haha, that wouldn´t be pretty....

Let´s have a try

For the background: Despite the brutally - top awesome hard-worked 1-2 defeat and the qualification for the CL-quarter finals, the most awesome glory hunters of the universe reacted to the full speed football of BVB with non-awesome moaning instead of the usual dull-moronic cheering.

it is a parody on the Jürgen Klopp vocabulary, where everything is brutally, super-awesome, hard work, full speed, best ever etc...
After the recent CL match BVB players complained about the bad atmosphere during the match and a lack of support.

 

[Maldeika]

I was just thinking about a way to translate

"Zum Hintergrund: Trotz der brutal-endgeil ermalochten 1:2-Niederlage und dem damit verbundenen Weiterkommen ins Viertelfinale, quittierten die obergeilsten Erfolgs-Kunden des Universums den BVB-Vollgasfußball mit ungeilem Geseufze statt dem gewohnt dumpf-stupiden Abjubeln."

to english.

Haha, that wouldn´t be pretty....

Let´s have a try

For the background: Despite the brutally - top awesome hard-worked 1-2 defeat and the qualification for the CL-quarter finals, the most awesome glory hunters of the universe reacted to the full speed football of BVB with non-awesome moaning instead of the usual dull-moronic cheering.

it is a parody on the Jürgen Klopp vocabulary, where everything is brutally, super-awesome, hard work, full speed, best ever etc...
After the recent CL match BVB players complained about the bad atmosphere during the match and a lack of support.

You forgot the mentality-monsters... ;)

 

[supercrystal7]

Great draw for Bayern, but in some ways with the league almost won mathematically it may have been better to have a tough team to keep them sharp. They should dispatch United with no trouble.

As for Dortmund a nightmare draw for them. Madrid are really being given a chance to improve their record in Germany. Out of the 11 players that started against Madrid last year only 4 will be starting this year and with Dortmund's history record even that's an if. I think they should focus on doing better than Schalke and put all their eggs in the cup.

 

[supercrystal7]

I think Bayern started with their best 11 with the exception of Dante for Martinez. Martinez still does not convince as a centre back and is constantly caught out by the ball over the top. He cannot play there against the top teams. Pep needs some consistency in his selection now so that the team can find top form for the knock out stages. They need to become familiar in constant positions and playing alongside each other. Mainz were very good today and should have gone in at half time up. Bayern passed the ball too slowly, except for Kroos. In the end Pep made the right decision. Gotze's clever position really started to change the game. They also needed to do what Schweinsteiger did for his goal and make more runs into the box. Seems like they will win the league on Tuesday.

If Schalke sign anyone in the summer then they need to make sure it is Tuchel. Generations like they have don't come around too often. If they could keep them together and add some experience I see them coming second next year (barring some big Dortmund spending).

 

[sam-caddick]

Bayern can win the league next week can't they?

Does anybody think complacency could affect their Champions League run? Having more than a month of what may as well be friendlies cannot be good for consistency and continued competitiveness.

Good for resting players, preventing injuries and testing new ways of playing I suppose.

 

[hallstreetblue]

Will Paderborn be like Fuerth and Braunschweig if they go up?

.

even worse. Paderborn is a city of around 140,000 inhabitants. Most people in the region are Borussia Dortmund or Schalke 04 fans. The leading club around was always Arminia Bielefeld.

Their average attendance is 9,500. Capacity of the ground is 15,000 and it is one of that new cheap "Do-it-yourself"-looking grounds near to the next Autobahn. As i´ve read recently, they ae not allowed to play after 10 pm because of the noise pollution. Wonder, what they will do on friday evening matches in the Bundesliga.

Their budget is about 6 million Euros, even among the lowest in Bundesliga 2 and it was a local furniture retailer, who spent most of that money over the years.


Some may know the city, it was home of a tank brigade of the british army, i think

Still is home to 20 Armoured Brigade

 

[Maldeika]

Bayern can win the league next week can't they?

Does anybody think complacency could affect their Champions League run? Having more than a month of what may as well be friendlies cannot be good for consistency and continued competitiveness.

Good for resting players, preventing injuries and testing new ways of playing I suppose.

They did not last year, or? There is enough competition in the team so nobody can lie down and rest. Actually the Bundesliga is already bagged in for some weeks now. If you only have 3 or 4 wins more to make with 10 or more matches to go with such a team whereas you opponents, that look shaky, have to win all - that might be possible theoretically but not really in a practical sense.

They are now 51 matches unbeaten in the league, the last 32 matches away, 18 wins in a row in the league, scored atleast one goal in the last 62 matches in the Bundesliga. They even in more difficult matches had answers at the end to every situation.

 

[bayern blade]

Bayern can win the league next week can't they?

Does anybody think complacency could affect their Champions League run? Having more than a month of what may as well be friendlies cannot be good for consistency and continued competitiveness.

Good for resting players, preventing injuries and testing new ways of playing I suppose.

Tuesday night if we win in Berlin. No I don't think it will make us complacent, on the contrary I think it will take the pressure off with a trophy in the bag.

 

[bayern blade]

I think Bayern started with their best 11 with the exception of Dante for Martinez. Martinez still does not convince as a centre back and is constantly caught out by the ball over the top. He cannot play there against the top teams. Pep needs some consistency in his selection now so that the team can find top form for the knock out stages. They need to become familiar in constant positions and playing alongside each other. Mainz were very good today and should have gone in at half time up. Bayern passed the ball too slowly, except for Kroos. In the end Pep made the right decision. Gotze's clever position really started to change the game. They also needed to do what Schweinsteiger did for his goal and make more runs into the box. Seems like they will win the league on Tuesday.

Yet Bayern have never lost a Bundesliga game that Javi has started (35 wins, 3 draws), I thought he had a decent game yesterday.

They were 5th going into yesterday's game and were at home. They were hardly cannon fodder.

 

[Ruhr]

Will Paderborn be like Fuerth and Braunschweig if they go up?

.

even worse. Paderborn is a city of around 140,000 inhabitants. Most people in the region are Borussia Dortmund or Schalke 04 fans. The leading club around was always Arminia Bielefeld.

Their average attendance is 9,500. Capacity of the ground is 15,000 and it is one of that new cheap "Do-it-yourself"-looking grounds near to the next Autobahn. As i´ve read recently, they ae not allowed to play after 10 pm because of the noise pollution. Wonder, what they will do on friday evening matches in the Bundesliga.

Their budget is about 6 million Euros, even among the lowest in Bundesliga 2 and it was a local furniture retailer, who spent most of that money over the years.


Some may know the city, it was home of a tank brigade of the british army, i think

Still is home to 20 Armoured Brigade

moved to Sennelager, if Wiki is right on that