Can this season be compared to the 'hangover' season

Lovebitesandeveryfing

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Trying to get a bit of distance after the flak since Saturday.
I’m thinking, obviously, of 2012-13. I’d be interested to hear other people’s take on this.
Now that my knee has stopped jerking after that abject performance on Saturday, and having thought it over carefully, with all things considered, this is mine, for what it’s worth.
The short answer: no. For the following reasons.
a) The 2012-13 season was, to all intents and purposes, over by 1 January. After that truly repulsive rag win over Newcastle, in which Ferguson actually went on to the pitch to bully the ref — something which no other manager in the history of the Premier League would have been allowed to get away with without at least a touchline ban for the rest of the season — and our pusillanimous loss at Sunderland, the writing was on the wall. This season will at least have extended to the end of January. We’ll see what happens at the Bridge. We’re up against it, but I don’t think that’s a done deal, either way. If Saturday demonstrated anything, it’s that both teams have got problems. It’s interesting that Chelsea, with their ‘impregnable’ defence and their ‘best keeper in the league’, have now shipped three goals against Everton, five against Spurs, and four against Bradford. Something that, despite our glaring shortcomings at the back, has not happened to us (yet…).
b) We are through the group stage of the Champions League. More importantly than that, we finally won a vital match in Europe with our backs completely to the wall, one that we were not at all fancied to win, in order to progress. That match in Rome is, in the sober sense of the word, a historic one – one in which we finally grew up in Europe, ‘managed’ a game in the European style and saw it out. Whatever happens at the Nou Camp does not take that away. Piece by piece, we’re constructing ourselves in Europe.
c) As I remember it, that season, we didn’t have anything like the horrendous injury record that we’ve had this year. Last year, we had a foul injury record, comparable to this, in fact, and limped through to be champions. That was a huge achievement, which we didn’t get enough credit for in the media. Who cares. We know what we did. Liverpool, like Chelsea this year, had nothing significant. Not making excuses, but this year it’s the same thing, and I honestly think it’s an injury too far. Nasri out — again! — was the last straw. What kills me is that after the Southampton and Sunderland games we were building up a phenomenal head of steam. Sergio was building up to having an unstoppable season, like Suarez last year. We managed the situation very well after that, but everybody could see that the wins were much more of a struggle.
d) Finally, we’ve beaten the rags at the Etihad (we lost in 2012-13 to that shit goal that nobody needs reminding about — almost, but not quite, as infuriating as the Owen goal, sorry to mention that). And that’s always something to savour ;-)

One final remark: I’m a Pellegrini fan, but I wish to fuck he’d stop mucking around with that back line and the keeper. That’s been the worst aspect of his management this season. Our back line, for the time being, is Zab, MDM, Mangala, Clichy. Play it, week in, week out. We’re only in two tournaments now. Yes, MDM is a bit slow — but Mangala is very fast. Yes, Mangala is hot-headed — but MDM has seen it all, and has a very cool brain. They were well on the way to building up a nice, complimentary relationship.
As for the position in nets: keepers don’t suffer from burn-out. God knows Hart has made mistakes this season, but he’s a whole level above Caballero. Caballero can sit on the bench for ever and a day, as far as I’m concerned. He gets paid.
And I don’t give a monkey’s that Vinny is our 'iconic' captain. He’s having a lousy season, and was quite poor even before the injury, if the honest-to-god truth be told. Pick the players in form and build a stable defence. Oh, and just as soon as Yaya gets back — pray for Ivory Coast to get knocked out — drop Fernando and move Fernandinho back to that protective position in front of the back four.
 
its simply down to the world cup. to many players missed pre season.

other than aguero most of the world cup players have struggled badly this season.
 
You can't compare the two seasons, for the reasons you've given and also others: we kept making horrendous tactical blunders revolving around that 3-5-2, and kept readjusting during games, sometimes 4 or 5 times. It's a cliche but the phrase on everyone's lips that season was 'no plan B' because we had no wide players and nobody with pace, so when we played a team who pressed and defended well we ran out of ideas.

There was turmoil in the dressing room and turmoil in the boardroom that season too. It was pretty grim from start to finish to be honest and increasingly obvious from the day we lost at Ajax that it was the end of an era.

This season has been flawed but with many mitigating circumstances. A World Cup hangover, the patchy bedding-in of the signings and a terrible run of injuries to the point where we appear to have had at least two of our 'spine' players out for the vast majority of the season, or playing unfit.

If we can get a run of games with most of the key players fit we can set this season aight again. I don't believe there's a problem with personnel or motivation or hunger or tactics or the manager. It's just been an awkward and trying season so far, like we've had one hand tied behind our back.
 
Agreed. What I'm basically doing is cheering myself up after those two defeats. What I do fear, though, is that by the time Yaya and Bony are back, and Sergio (and maybe Vinny?) are their normal selves, it'll be a couple of matches too late. I don't have the slightest doubt that with everyone fit we are the most skilful team in the land. But if we go eight points behind at the Bridge — might not happen, sure — it's going to be very, very hard. Chelsea will not fold the way the rags did, in my opinion. (I should add that I go along with Neville on Liverpool, last season. They didn't 'fold'. On the contrary, they went on a phenomenal run. If anyone folded, it was Chelsea. But they're not quite the same team, this season}
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Agreed. What I'm basically doing is cheering myself up after those two defeats. What I do fear, though, is that by the time Yaya and Bony are back, and Sergio (and maybe Vinny?) are their normal selves, it'll be a couple of matches too late. I don't have the slightest doubt that with everyone fit we are the most skilful team in the land. But if we go eight points behind at the Bridge — might not happen, sure — it's going to be very, very hard. Chelsea will not fold the way the rags did, in my opinion.

I know what you mean. It's a huge game to play firing on 2 of our 4 cylinders. But the flip side is that if we do win it we enter a period where everyone should be peaking, Chelsea's tails are down and maybe they will start to get the big injuries we have had. We will have a big tie to come in the champions league too and maybe even a real adventure there.

It's a big big month, but it could go either way.
 
We seem a bit flat all of a sudden after a fantastic run at the end of last year.

Kompany has said the motivation is still high in the squad and that should see us through to the end of the season, we've now had a couple of below par performances against two in form sides who've played brilliantly against us.

Let's hope when Yaya and Bony get back they can bolster the team and spark us back to life again.
 
Yeah this season compares to the 1986-1987 season when we didn't win an away game .
 
One of the biggest problems in 12-13 was that there seemed to be a feeling around the club that "it will all come right in the end". The belief, probably correct, that we were superior to United. The somewhat complacent assumption that we would eventually move into top gear and cruise past them. We were 5 points behind United 2 years ago today, but having made up an 8 points deficit the previous year 5 points didnt seem much of a problem. We then had that 3 game run against QPR, Liverpool & Southampton when we dropped 7 points and United had the league sown up on 10th Feb.
 
<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Manchester_City_F.C._season" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80 ... .C._season</a>
The hangover season was pretty good till November 24th:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/table/2012-11-19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2012-11-19</a>

We then drew at home to Everton and then lost at home to Utd. We kept in touch till we lost away to Sunderland on boxing day to a last minute OFFSIDE goal to be 7 points behind:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/table/2012-12-26" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2012-12-26</a>

We then had a great spell till the end of January when we has pulled back to 4 points behind:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/table/2013-01-19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2013-01-19</a>

At which point we drew away to QPR 0-0 (I still don;t know how we didn't win) drew at home to Liverpool (2-2) and lost away to Southampton (1-3). At which point we were 9 points behind:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/table/2013-02-03" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2013-02-03</a>

That was that. We kept chasing from that point and Utd wobbled but we blew it away to Spurs (1-3) and that was it.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/table" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.statto.com/football/stats/en ... 2013/table</a>

The lessons?
City have had ONE winter/early-spring mini slump every season. To damp? To wet? Who knows? It just always happens, but in 2012/13 we had TWO - one before Christmas and one as Feb started,.
We are currently in a slump (5 points dropped) lose again and it is 8 points gone. Not in itself terminal, but ask yourself this: Can you see us winning most of the rest of our games? With away ties to Liverpool, Spurs, Utd, Stoke, Palace & Swansea I would say no. I would guess at another 5 points gone, more likely 8.
Will Chelsea drop 16 points? Not a chance - 12-14 tops.
 

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