CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

Gary Neville is, along with Souness and Martin Samuel, the most objective pundit to be found in the English media. City are not spotless paragons of virtue but since 2008 we have unquestionably been a force for good in the English and European game and the best run club in domestic football. The three wise men whose names began this post have been the only ones who have given City fair credit for this. Gary Neville has always opposed FFP and was one of the first to attack UEFA when they "disciplined" City in 2014 ("Unbelievable! The obligation to make a profit!" was his tweet, if I remember correctly.) He has never wavered from his opposition to FF and UEFA or his support for City on the matter. He has certainly wanted to see Salford City invest and progress - just as City's owners wanted to see us progress between 2008 and 2012. But we don't accuse City of ditching the principle of investment now the club is expected to live within its means as an act of policy and not a surrender to FFP. If Neville agrees with the right to invest at least he is consistent, arguing that at Blackburn, Chelsea, City and United in the past it has been good for the game. He wants clubs to be allowed to invest in the future to be able to challenge those recently successful in the game and that seems scarcely relevant to Salford at the moment.

This leaves Fernandinho. When Neville first claimed that Ferna was a "master of the dark arts" it was one comment in a eulogy of his many and varied skills. Mastery of the dark arts was simply one in a battery of skills anyone playing in his position needed and to Neville it was essential. He argued that all the great players had had it and he named a string of them, one of whom was Roy Keane. Ferna certainly has a cynical element in his game and I think he is simply better than anyone else because he knows exactly when to use it. He's not the only cynic but he's certainly better at it than the rest. The trouble is that other pundits picked out what suited them from Neville's analysis (a trick they have repeated many times, most recently with CAS decision and then with Pep's "disrespectful" remarks about Arsenal) and painted Ferna as the innovator of a uniquely cynical and dishonest way of playing.
 
Who needs enemies when you’ve got whoppers like Joe Butterfield spouting shite like this?

Not sure who this bloke is but he's probably after a career in journalism and has quisling'd himself in order to achieve it.

There's one or two others doing similar and cosying up to Sam Lee amongst others, even being buddy buddy with him when he's knifing the club in the front.

Either that or he's one of that peculiar breed of City fan who seems to resent the fact we are now a very good team and seemingly preferred it when we were so shit other teams fans used to pat our heads and call us their second team and think it was "cool" to be a City fan.
 
There is only one way to shut these guys up. That is to take the lot of them to court. Then sue them for all the money that they have. For me I would start with Jurgen Klopp, plus Livarpool F.C. as well. Livarpool as Jurgen Klopp 's employe, they should have told him to keep is mouth shut and say nothing about the CAS verdict.

After that then go after the Arsenal F.C.. Then one by one of the papers. Finally go after the head of the Spanish F.A. senor Tebas. If some of the individuals nd up bankrupt so be it.

At this stage even a full and frank apology would not do. These guys need to be made to pay and the damages that they have to pay must hurt them in their own pocket. That is the only way they will learn not to do it again.
Shocked I am, shocked I tell you.
 
Gary Neville is, along with Souness and Martin Samuel, the most objective pundit to be found in the English media. City are not spotless paragons of virtue but since 2008 we have unquestionably been a force for good in the English and European game and the best run club in domestic football. The three wise men whose names began this post have been the only ones who have given City fair credit for this. Gary Neville has always opposed FFP and was one of the first to attack UEFA when they "disciplined" City in 2014 ("Unbelievable! The obligation to make a profit!" was his tweet, if I remember correctly.) He has never wavered from his opposition to FF and UEFA or his support for City on the matter. He has certainly wanted to see Salford City invest and progress - just as City's owners wanted to see us progress between 2008 and 2012. But we don't accuse City of ditching the principle of investment now the club is expected to live within its means as an act of policy and not a surrender to FFP. If Neville agrees with the right to invest at least he is consistent, arguing that at Blackburn, Chelsea, City and United in the past it has been good for the game. He wants clubs to be allowed to invest in the future to be able to challenge those recently successful in the game and that seems scarcely relevant to Salford at the moment.

This leaves Fernandinho. When Neville first claimed that Ferna was a "master of the dark arts" it was one comment in a eulogy of his many and varied skills. Mastery of the dark arts was simply one in a battery of skills anyone playing in his position needed and to Neville it was essential. He argued that all the great players had had it and he named a string of them, one of whom was Roy Keane. Ferna certainly has a cynical element in his game and I think he is simply better than anyone else because he knows exactly when to use it. He's not the only cynic but he's certainly better at it than the rest. The trouble is that other pundits picked out what suited them from Neville's analysis (a trick they have repeated many times, most recently with CAS decision and then with Pep's "disrespectful" remarks about Arsenal) and painted Ferna as the innovator of a uniquely cynical and dishonest way of playing.

Having a go at him because of who he used to play for (even when he speaks out on our behalf most of the time) reminds me off the journalists that constantly criticise us no matter what we do. I hope we are not at their level and can be more considered.
 
There is only one way to shut these guys up. That is to take the lot of them to court. Then sue them for all the money that they have. For me I would start with Jurgen Klopp, plus Livarpool F.C. as well. Livarpool as Jurgen Klopp 's employe, they should have told him to keep is mouth shut and say nothing about the CAS verdict.

After that then go after the Arsenal F.C.. Then one by one of the papers. Finally go after the head of the Spanish F.A. senor Tebas. If some of the individuals nd up bankrupt so be it.

At this stage even a full and frank apology would not do. These guys need to be made to pay and the damages that they have to pay must hurt them in their own pocket. That is the only way they will learn not to do it again.

In the real World unfortunately it rarely happens that way. We will move on and carry on winning knowing that is the thing that annoys them most.
 
Not sure who this bloke is but he's probably after a career in journalism and has quisling'd himself in order to achieve it.

There's one or two others doing similar and cosying up to Sam Lee amongst others, even being buddy buddy with him when he's knifing the club in the front.

There’s certainly a crop of jnr blog writers who try so hard to be ‘unbiased’ that they go too far the other way and end up being as in the wrong as we see from mainstream newspapers.

I think the assessment is right in that they feel the need to do this in order to appeal to would be media suitors - “Look how unbiased I am! I’m willing to toe the line! Please employ me!”

Future Colin Shindlers.
 
Not sure who this bloke is but he's probably after a career in journalism and has quisling'd himself in order to achieve it.

There's one or two others doing similar and cosying up to Sam Lee amongst others, even being buddy buddy with him when he's knifing the club in the front.

Either that or he's one of that peculiar breed of City fan who seems to resent the fact we are now a very good team and seemingly preferred it when we were so shit other teams fans used to pat our heads and call us their second team and think it was "cool" to be a City fan.

I doubt he's a blue just some rag/dipper fan looking for his moment of fame, wum.
Wouldn't bite,but just call him a c.nt, that he is..probably tebas with a wum account..
 
Gary Neville is, along with Souness and Martin Samuel, the most objective pundit to be found in the English media. City are not spotless paragons of virtue but since 2008 we have unquestionably been a force for good in the English and European game and the best run club in domestic football. The three wise men whose names began this post have been the only ones who have given City fair credit for this. Gary Neville has always opposed FFP and was one of the first to attack UEFA when they "disciplined" City in 2014 ("Unbelievable! The obligation to make a profit!" was his tweet, if I remember correctly.) He has never wavered from his opposition to FF and UEFA or his support for City on the matter. He has certainly wanted to see Salford City invest and progress - just as City's owners wanted to see us progress between 2008 and 2012. But we don't accuse City of ditching the principle of investment now the club is expected to live within its means as an act of policy and not a surrender to FFP. If Neville agrees with the right to invest at least he is consistent, arguing that at Blackburn, Chelsea, City and United in the past it has been good for the game. He wants clubs to be allowed to invest in the future to be able to challenge those recently successful in the game and that seems scarcely relevant to Salford at the moment.

This leaves Fernandinho. When Neville first claimed that Ferna was a "master of the dark arts" it was one comment in a eulogy of his many and varied skills. Mastery of the dark arts was simply one in a battery of skills anyone playing in his position needed and to Neville it was essential. He argued that all the great players had had it and he named a string of them, one of whom was Roy Keane. Ferna certainly has a cynical element in his game and I think he is simply better than anyone else because he knows exactly when to use it. He's not the only cynic but he's certainly better at it than the rest. The trouble is that other pundits picked out what suited them from Neville's analysis (a trick they have repeated many times, most recently with CAS decision and then with Pep's "disrespectful" remarks about Arsenal) and painted Ferna as the innovator of a uniquely cynical and dishonest way of playing.

That's a good piece. Hadn't realised how far Neville has been loud about it.
I think Jenas has defending Ferny, saying "it's a professional game".
You're right though about selective quoting (hello, Phil Neville, who MOTD2 felt obliged in their best/worst of the season to repeat that Foden/Jesus could inherit Aguero's mantelpiece).
 
Getting to the point where I think we should ( sorry for the Americanism ) ‘own it.’
Smile smugly at the twunts, shake ones head and then give them the knowing wink and just walk away.
Hated it at first when we started singing we were just a shit man yoonited, eventually saw it as the perfect accompaniment to we never win at home....
So when we get the cheaters chants we just sing back we’ll buy your club..... (If we ever get back in The Etihad)

This whole shitshow has hung over us for too long. The British media, bar the odd exception, are appalling to put it mildly.
Fcuk the lot of ‘em. We know we’re innocent and we’re all that counts.
I never want to feel as desperate as I did on Monday last week ever again. City didn’t make me feel that way the jackals that masquerade as journalists did that.
CTID.
 
Football is so tribal you will never get many opposition fans to agree with the facts.

We aren't much different..let's pretend the case was about United...which of us would have defended them on here as innocent?

The press do what they do to make money the red teams have more fans so they print positive things about them and negative things about us. It's all pigs at the trough.

Things will change but it will be a long time. The vitriol is a good sign that, in the meantime, we are moving in the right direction.
 
I didn't realise SWFC are going though a similar thing that we did. A negative verdict followed by a point deduction could see them relegated. Hope they prevail.
 
That's a good piece. Hadn't realised how far Neville has been loud about it.
I think Jenas has defending Ferny, saying "it's a professional game".
You're right though about selective quoting (hello, Phil Neville, who MOTD2 felt obliged in their best/worst of the season to repeat that Foden/Jesus could inherit Aguero's mantelpiece).

Interestingly enough Jenas put the responsibility for one of Spurs' goals against Leicester on Sunday down to the failure of a Leicester midfielder to foul Kane on the half way line - "if I'me Rogers, I'm saying there 'foul him'". So Jenas is another one who is at least consistent. Phil Neville is one on his own.
 
There’s certainly a crop of jnr blog writers who try so hard to be ‘unbiased’ that they go too far the other way and end up being as in the wrong as we see from mainstream newspapers.

I think the assessment is right in that they feel the need to do this in order to appeal to would be media suitors - “Look how unbiased I am! I’m willing to toe the line! Please employ me!”

Future Colin Shindlers.

Shindler has a special art - few people can be that tedious dull and boring - particularly at the same time.
 
Football is so tribal you will never get many opposition fans to agree with the facts.

We aren't much different..let's pretend the case was about United...which of us would have defended them on here as innocent?

The press do what they do to make money the red teams have more fans so they print positive things about them and negative things about us. It's all pigs at the trough.

Things will change but it will be a long time. The vitriol is a good sign that, in the meantime, we are moving in the right direction.

The British press's traditional defence of its freedoms is that a free press providing its readership with full information and objective judgement and opinion is essential to the maintenance of a representative democracy. For years now, however, we have seen the press fall lamentably short of such a lofty view of its role and I don't think a "pigs at the trough" defence of its role cuts much ice. It didn't defend MPs fiddling their expenses with a pigs at the trough justification and I don't think football fans/readers should be fobbed off with what are lies pure and simple because it attracts readers.
 
Football is so tribal you will never get many opposition fans to agree with the facts.

We aren't much different..let's pretend the case was about United...which of us would have defended them on here as innocent?
On the one hand...I get your point and completely agree.
On the other hand...it would never happen to them
 
There’s certainly a crop of jnr blog writers who try so hard to be ‘unbiased’ that they go too far the other way and end up being as in the wrong as we see from mainstream newspapers.

I think the assessment is right in that they feel the need to do this in order to appeal to would be media suitors - “Look how unbiased I am! I’m willing to toe the line! Please employ me!”

Future Colin Shindlers.
"To quisling yourself", nice.
 
Interestingly enough Jenas put the responsibility for one of Spurs' goals against Leicester on Sunday down to the failure of a Leicester midfielder to foul Kane on the half way line - "if I'me Rogers, I'm saying there 'foul him'". So Jenas is another one who is at least consistent. Phil Neville is one on his own.

Yes, Jenas has said that type of thing a few times. I heard that comment too.

I always thought that 'tactical' fouling was intended to mean the stuff which didn't get bookings as it was marginally mistimed or not overtly cynical - a deliberate trip or hold away from the ball is just a professional foul. The implication was that Ferny should be booked well before he was being - Kante is curiously exempt as he does the same thing.
 

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