Champions League Squad Criteria & Dates

[Gordyola]

Hope this makes sense it is my interpretation of the rules see page 26 http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles.../Regulations/01/63/02/44/1630244_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Champions League squad has to be registered by midnight 1st September for Group Stages

List A
Consists of 25 players
Minimum of 8 must be locally* trained players (no more than 4 association trained players)

*Local Players are either Club or Association

Club
Between 15 & 21 registered with club for 3 seasons or 36 months continuous or not

Association
Between 15 & 21 registered with club's association for 3 seasons or 36 months continuous or not

(Age 15 is start of season age 21 is end of a season)

List B
Unlimited number submitted no later than midnight on day before a match
Includes:
Players born after 01 01 1990, must have been eligible to play for club uninterrupted for 2 years since age of 15.
Players aged 16 can be listed if they have been eligible to play for club for 2 years uninterrupted

A change is allowed for Round of 16 to allow a maximum of 3 new eligible players but list remains at 25 max and local player numbers remain same new players must wear previously unassigned numbers

Only one of the additional players may have played in the Europa League for his previous club in the current season

 

[Rammyblues]

List A
Consists of 25 players
Minimum of 8 must be locally* trained players (no more than 4 association trained players)

*Local Players are either Club or Association

Club
Between 15 & 21 registered with club for 3 seasons or 36 months continuous or not

Association
Between 15 & 21 registered with club's association for 3 seasons or 36 months continuous or not

(Age 15 is start of season age 21 is end of a season)

List B
Unlimited number submitted no later than midnight on day before a match
Includes:
Players born after 01 01 1990, must have been eligible to play for club uninterrupted for 2 years since age of 15.
Players aged 16 can be listed if they have been eligible to play for club for 2 years uninterrupted

Club trained/Association trained. My understanding is this is where these rules differ from PL rules. In CL rules you have to allocate a minimum 4 places in the 25 man squad to Club academy players. So the likes of Ned, SWP, Richards and Weiss would have all qualified to be there. Note no point putting under 21s in because they are unlimited on B list. Because Weiss, and SWP have gone and Ned won't play the only way we can get a squad of 23 is to put Jorgensen in the three nominated goalkeepers.

In respect of under 21 rules this again differs from PL because of the requirement first on age but secondly in relation to having been at the club for two years so IMO Balotelli and Savic although qualify for the age have to go on the A list because they haven't been at the club two years.

If you ignore Bridge and Ned (although Ned could be included in the squad if Mancini decided) our squad should look like this when it is submitted to UEFA.

H = Club trained. A = Association F = Foreign
(For those wondering why Hargreaves is Foreign even though plays for England his developement as a player was done in Bayern which is a Foreign Association, same logic as Clichy being Association because his formative years were spent in Arsenal's academy hence Associated to English FA).

Champions League squad
1) Joe Hart (A)
2) Costel Pantilimon (F)
3) Eirik Johansen (H)
Defenders
4) A Kolorov (F)
5) V Kompany (F)
6) J Lescott (A)
7) M Richards (H)
8) K Toure (F)
9) P Zabaletta (F)
10) G Clichy (A)
11) S Savic (F)
Midfield
12) O Hargreaves (F)
13) G. Barry (A)
14) A Johnson (A)
15) S Nasri (F)
16) NDJ (F)
17) J Milner (A)
18) D Silva (F)
19) Y Toure (F)
Forwards
20) E Dzeko (F)
21) Aguero (F)
22) Balotelli (F)
23) Tevez (F)

 

[Gordyola]

List A

H = Club trained. A = Association F = Foreign
(For those wondering why Hargreaves is Foreign even though plays for England his developement as a player was done in Bayern which is a Foreign Association, same logic as Clichy being Association because his formative years were spent in Arsenal's academy hence Associated to English FA).

Champions League squad
1) Joe Hart (A)
2) Costel Pantilimon (F)
3) Eirik Johansen (H)
Defenders
4) A Kolorov (F)
5) V Kompany (F)
6) J Lescott (A)
7) M Richards (H)
8) K Toure (F)
9) P Zabaletta (F)
10) G Clichy (A)
11) S Savic (F)
Midfield
12) O Hargreaves (F)
13) G. Barry (A)
14) A Johnson (A)
15) S Nasri (F)
16) NDJ (F)
17) J Milner (A)
18) D Silva (F)
19) Y Toure (F)
Forwards
20) E Dzeko (F)
21) Aguero (F)
22) Balotelli (F)
23) Tevez (F)

But a max of 4 association trained players so with Richards being home we can only name 22 max,( the other 2 ass players will count as foreign? ) I would expect Balotelli not to be name as he is banned for first 3 games

 

[Barney Daniels]

No, I think that is badly worded in the rules. I think they are trying to say a minimum of 4 of the 8 Association trained have to be club trained. I doubt they would want to restrict the number of English trained players.

 

[TBooksbluearmy]

I think that J. Hart will count a sa home grown as he still was trained through our youth team as we signed him when he had only just turned 17 ot ws it 16 yrs old.

 

[Project]

Basically there must be a minimum of 8 players trained in England. Of that 8, 4 must have been trained by the club in order to have the full compliment of 25 players. If you have 3 club trained players, your squad can only be 24. 2 and 23. 1 like us, and you can name just 22.


You get to redo your squad after the group stage so dropping Balotelli might make sense but that's still a big call IMO.

I think Harry Bunn can be named in List A and save Balotelli. Also Onuoha given that he is still around. That would allow us to have 24 players. Drop Johansen and nobody misses out.

-- Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:40 pm --

I think that J. Hart will count a sa home grown as he still was trained through our youth team as we signed him when he had only just turned 17 ot ws it 16 yrs old.

You're miles out. We signed him as a 19 year old.

By my reckoning, we signed him one month late to count as club trained. We had him 35 months before he passed 21, but only 2 "seasons", as he was bought in the off season. In fact, i'm pretty certain this is the case and we can discount Joe as club trained.

 

[Mancio]

Basically there must be a minimum of 8 players trained in England. Of that 8, 4 must have been trained by the club in order to have the full compliment of 25 players. If you have 3 club trained players, your squad can only be 24. 2 and 23. 1 like us, and you can name just 22.


You get to redo your squad after the group stage so dropping Balotelli might make sense but that's still a big call IMO.

I think Harry Bunn can be named in List A and save Balotelli. Also Onuoha given that he is still around. That would allow us to have 24 players. Drop Johansen and nobody misses out.

-- Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:40 pm --

I think that J. Hart will count a sa home grown as he still was trained through our youth team as we signed him when he had only just turned 17 ot ws it 16 yrs old.

You're miles out. We signed him as a 19 year old.

By my reckoning, we signed him one month late to count as club trained. We had him 35 months before he passed 21.

in which sense dropping balotelli might make sense ?

 

[Project]

He is suspended for half of the group games.

 

[Mancio]

He is suspended for half of the group games.

a) as far as i can see he dont get a place from another player given that we can list 17 foreigner and we have got only 15 of them.

b) if you dont put him in the list his suspension remains

 

[eastlands oasis]

Basically there must be a minimum of 8 players trained in England. Of that 8, 4 must have been trained by the club in order to have the full compliment of 25 players. If you have 3 club trained players, your squad can only be 24. 2 and 23. 1 like us, and you can name just 22.


You get to redo your squad after the group stage so dropping Balotelli might make sense but that's still a big call IMO.

I think Harry Bunn can be named in List A and save Balotelli. Also Onuoha given that he is still around. That would allow us to have 24 players. Drop Johansen and nobody misses out.

-- Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:40 pm --

I think that J. Hart will count a sa home grown as he still was trained through our youth team as we signed him when he had only just turned 17 ot ws it 16 yrs old.

You're miles out. We signed him as a 19 year old.

By my reckoning, we signed him one month late to count as club trained. We had him 35 months before he passed 21, but only 2 "seasons", as he was bought in the off season. In fact, i'm pretty certain this is the case and we can discount Joe as club trained.

this is how I interprit it too, as far as the current squad goes, Richards is the only one that counts as "club trained" which means we lose the 3 other "club trained" places we cant fill, meaning we are limited to a squad of 22 players

 

[Project]

He is suspended for half of the group games.

a) as far as i can see he dont get a place from another player given that we can list 17 foreigner and we have got only 15 of them.

b) if you dont put him in the list his suspension remains

a) It isn't about the number of foreigners we have. It's the lack of home grown (trained at City) players. You are allowed 17 foreigners IF you have 4 home grown. If you only have 1 home grown like we do in Richards, you can only have 14 foreigners. Meaning one of them has to miss out.

b) Good point. That would make sense. So for me, name Onuoha, drop the third keeper and everyone else gets to keep their place.

 

[Mancio]

He is suspended for half of the group games.

a) as far as i can see he dont get a place from another player given that we can list 17 foreigner and we have got only 15 of them.

b) if you dont put him in the list his suspension remains

a) It isn't about the number of foreigners we have. It's the lack of home grown (trained at City) players. You are allowed 17 foreigners IF you have 4 home grown. If you only have 1 home grown like we do in Richards, you can only have 14 foreigners. Meaning one of them has to miss out.

b) Good point. That would make sense. So for me, name Onuoha, drop the third keeper and everyone else gets to keep their place.

on point "a" i think you are wrong mate. we can list 17 foreigners + 8 home trained 4 of them must be club trained.

if we dont have enough club trained this in no way decreases our right to list 17 foreigneers

 

[Project]

a) as far as i can see he dont get a place from another player given that we can list 17 foreigner and we have got only 15 of them.

b) if you dont put him in the list his suspension remains

a) It isn't about the number of foreigners we have. It's the lack of home grown (trained at City) players. You are allowed 17 foreigners IF you have 4 home grown. If you only have 1 home grown like we do in Richards, you can only have 14 foreigners. Meaning one of them has to miss out.

b) Good point. That would make sense. So for me, name Onuoha, drop the third keeper and everyone else gets to keep their place.

on point "a" i think you are wrong mate. we can list 17 foreigners + 8 home trained 4 of them must be club trained.

if we dont have enough club trained this in no way decreases our right to list 17 foreigneers

Ah, ok. Yeah I think you are right here. But foreigners probably isn't the best word to use. That 17 can consist of English trained players too.

Basically it works like this from what I have just read:

If we have 1 club trained player, Richards, we are allowed 17 of any other player, and a maximum of 4 association trained players. Giving a maximum squad size of 22.

We have 23 players excluding Onuoha. That's where the issue lies. If we exclude Onuoha, we are limited to 22. But we have a squad of 23. So either a foreigner or an association trained played needs to be excluded. If we include Onuoha we have 24 players but are allowed just 23.

Whatever way you work it out it appears that someone will not be named in the squad. My guess is Taylor.

 

[blumoonrisen]

On twitter

@Ian_Ladyman:
Owen hargreaves will not be in #mcfc Champions League squad when its announced tomorrow. Wayne Bridge will be, though

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Champions League Squad Criteria & Dates

On twitter

@Ian_Ladyman:
Owen hargreaves will not be in #mcfc Champions League squad when its announced tomorrow. Wayne Bridge will be, though

I have no idea why bridge would be in. We have GC, AK and Pablo honey for left back even Barry if needed. We need the experience in the middle more so I would expect it to be the other way round.

 

[lancs blue]

He is suspended for half of the group games.

One match ban for a straight red in UEFA competitions, he misses the Napoli game.

 

[kennycar]

No point in taking Bridge might as well take Onuoha, as then we can take 1 extra player. Shouldn't take Hargreaves as he says he's not ready, we can also swap max 3 players on 1st of Feb if he's playing by then. Also, you have to take 3 goalies, as the rules say if 2 of the 3 goalkeepers are injured you can draft more in, if we only had 2 and hart got injured we'd be fucked.

 

[BlueJill]

Certainly Ned will be put on the list, no? I have no problem with Bobby doing all he can do to get rid of him, but he is here. He is homegrown so we have the space for him. Put him on and never plan to use him. But put him on. You never know what will happen. He could come in handy if we get a slew of injuries.