che geuvara...

kronkonite said:
Envisioning the establishment of a free press, and the creation of communal life through the collectivization of the land, factories and workshops. without masters or slaves, with neither rich nor poor seems like a good philosophy to me

or you could go round bein a racist homophobic warmonger

How the hell can you say that anyone who doesn't believe in his goals is a racist homophobic warmonger? I don't believe in them so is that your view of me?

One more thing... why did he have to have thousands killed trying to achieve his goal? Now that really does sound like a warmonger.
 
kronkonite said:
Envisioning the establishment of a free press, and the creation of communal life through the collectivization of the land, factories and workshops. without masters or slaves, with neither rich nor poor seems like a good philosophy to me

and to the Soviets...

No slaves? lol. No. Everyone becomes a slave to government. Che Guevara knew how to get shit done (even then he failed more often than not and was a blood thirsty psychopath), but he was also as naive as shit.

He wanted to:

"...remove interest, the factor of individual interest, and gain, from people's psychological motivations"

Stupid. There really is no other word for it. The soviets found that out when they resorted to painting rust.

But he is hip with some teenagers! So yay!
 
ElanJo said:
kronkonite said:
Envisioning the establishment of a free press, and the creation of communal life through the collectivization of the land, factories and workshops. without masters or slaves, with neither rich nor poor seems like a good philosophy to me

and to the Soviets...

No slaves? lol. No. Everyone becomes a slave to government. Che Guevara knew how to get shit done (even then he failed more often than not and was a blood thirsty psychopath), but he was also as naive as shit.

He wanted to:

"...remove interest, the factor of individual interest, and gain, from people's psychological motivations"

Stupid. There really is no other word for it. The soviets found that out when they resorted to painting rust.

But he is hip with some teenagers! So yay!

True the man was much removed from the original ideals and reasoning for doing what he did. He did, eventually, just like doing what he did for the 'buzz'.
 
Nestor Makhno was good to
" let us be dauntless to the point of madness"

can 't choose between ukranian anarchy
or cuban stalinism
as my ideology

whatever wipes out right wing thinking best I suppose

to this end Makhno was magnificent
 
kronkonite said:
Nestor Makhno was good to
" let us be dauntless to the point of madness"

can 't choose between ukranian anarchy
or cuban stalinism
as my ideology

whatever wipes out right wing thinking best I suppose

to this end Makhno was magnificent

His name rings a bell, was he an Anarcho-Communist?

edit: nevermind. I wiki'd him.

Duh! "Makhnovists"
 
Cheesy said:
kronkonite said:
Envisioning the establishment of a free press, and the creation of communal life through the collectivization of the land, factories and workshops. without masters or slaves, with neither rich nor poor seems like a good philosophy to me

or you could go round bein a racist homophobic warmonger

How the hell can you say that anyone who doesn't believe in his goals is a racist homophobic warmonger? I don't believe in them so is that your view of me?

One more thing... why did he have to have thousands killed trying to achieve his goal? Now that really does sound like a warmonger.

I think he is on about Che with the racist homophobic stuff, Cuba had concerntration camps for homosexuals.
 
Some view Che Guevara as a hero for example, Nelson Mandela referred to him as an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. while Jean-Paul Sartre described him as not only an intellectual but also the most complete human being of our age. Guevara remains a beloved national hero to many in Cuba, where his image adorns the 3 Cuban Peso and school children begin each morning by pledging "We will be like Che In his native homeland of Argentina, where high schools bear his name numerous Che museums dot the country. Which in 2008 unveiled a 12 foot bronze statue of him in his birth city of Rosario. Additionally, Guevara has been sanctified by some Bolivian campesinos as "Saint Ernesto", to whom they pray for assistance. his was caught and killed in bolivia aswell so that says something about him as a person! some people like me see him for the doctor, philosphor, author, politician and gorrilla leader he was and well others make their own asumptions!

i am young an do don guevara clothing range but as recently stated i actually know who he was just don't want to sound too hipocritical!
 
blue_chili_pepper said:
Some view Che Guevara as a hero for example, Nelson Mandela referred to him as an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. while Jean-Paul Sartre described him as not only an intellectual but also the most complete human being of our age. Guevara remains a beloved national hero to many in Cuba, where his image adorns the 3 Cuban Peso and school children begin each morning by pledging "We will be like Che In his native homeland of Argentina, where high schools bear his name numerous Che museums dot the country. Which in 2008 unveiled a 12 foot bronze statue of him in his birth city of Rosario. Additionally, Guevara has been sanctified by some Bolivian campesinos as "Saint Ernesto", to whom they pray for assistance. his was caught and killed in bolivia aswell so that says something about him as a person! some people like me see him for the doctor, philosphor, author, politician and gorrilla leader he was and well others make their own asumptions!

i am young an do don guevara clothing range but as recently stated i actually know who he was just don't want to sound too hipocritical!
Nelson Mandela referred to him as an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom.
That is staggering,Che was openly racist towards Cuba's black community.
Guevara was an architect of Cuba's forced labor camps, which by 1965 were transformed into concentration camps for dissidents, homosexuals, people with AIDS, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Cubans of other religious sects.
- Che sidelined black Cubans and mocked those who were part of the revolutionary movement. He once told radio host Luis Pons, “We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”
- Che sidelined black Cubans and mocked those who were part of the revolutionary movement. He once told radio host Luis Pons, “We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”

- Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad, which he supervised at his jungle headquarters in Cuba. He also hosted book burnings, torching thousands of books owned by suspect intellectuals and librarians.
All facts & he embraced being a monster like a long lost friend.
 

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