Chelsea Thread - 2021/22

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And by extension none of us know what the future holds.
no we don't but the geopolitical risk of investment in the UK by an authoritarian state in an unstable part of the world that is looking to form new alliances and that most people would describe as a rapidly emerging nation is obvious.

The UAE is on the periphery of two conflicts in Yemen and Libya. In Libya they take another side to most of the western world.

As you say we can't predict the future we can just see the tensions that are there and they should unsettle owner and fans.
 
A small problem with that.
1.The UK supplies many of the armaments used in Yemen. So we are unlikely to sanction Saudi.
2. The action is in support of the legitimate gov of Yemen, not pari passu with invasion of democratic neighbour. No "stark similarities".
With all due respect, I was just putting the question out there. Also, my comment simply sought to draw comparisons in terms of human rights abuses rather than the broader geopolitical impact.
 
Yes, I'm aware. Read the chain I'm responding to. But that doesn't mean sponsors can't rip up their contracts to protect their own brands from contagion of business links to a sanctioned oligarch.

And practically even if there weren't explicit terms in the contract or implied terms from statue or case law, Three can probably be satisfied that Chelsea FC don't have the financial means to pursue legal action to restore the sponsorship or get compensation.
Er,,,I was agreeing with you and adding a bit.
 
Fuck em, hope there’s a fire sale, get Kante to replace Fernandinho. After the CL final and the shot they gave KDB and Aguero, karma.
I shouldn’t like this, as in every other area of my life I believe myself to be a fairly responsible, middle aged, adult.

Then I think of the twitter Memes of a crying Aguero, the inflatable CL trophies, and the racist abuse that has been an aspect of that clubs support for over 50 years, and I too think “Nah, fuck them”
 
The only way Chelsea are getting sold is if Abramovich agrees to walk away from his entire investment such as the initial purchase price and the 1.5bn loans sat on the books but not being paid. Otherwise it will remain a frozen asset.

He might agree to this as there is no possibility of his UK assets being unfrozen for years or decades to come. There is no possible outcome in the Ukraine conflict whereby all sanctions will be dropped against Russia, even if there is some sort of ceasefire/conflict freeze as has happened with Crimea and the Eastern regions. This is going to be ongoing for the foreseeable future.
this is the correct answer, the value for Chelsea for a buyer is now £0 or it goes bust. They can still pick their new billionaire owner but they'll be paying nothing for it
 
With all due respect, I was just putting the question out there. Also, my comment simply sought to draw comparisons in terms of human rights abuses rather than the broader geopolitical impact.
Yes. I was supplying one possible answer! Abuse of human rights would only be grounds for this type of sanction (freezing of assets) on a very selective basis. It would require a change in the law. Realpolitik, we wont sanction allies or useful third parties..
 
no we don't but the geopolitical risk of investment in the UK by an authoritarian state in an unstable part of the world that is looking to form new alliances and that most people would describe as a rapidly emerging nation is obvious.

The UAE is on the periphery of two conflicts in Yemen and Libya. In Libya they take another side to most of the western world.

As you say we can't predict the future we can just see the tensions that are there and they should unsettle owner and fans.
He could always sell the rest of his holding to Silver Lake if that ever happened. Just don't make the mistake that Abramovich made and not sell up before sanctions are imposed!
 
this is the correct answer, the value for Chelsea for a buyer is now £0 or it goes bust. They can still pick their new billionaire owner but they'll be paying nothing for it

No the value isn't 0. It'll be still in the billions, or at least over 1B. If Roman agrees to hand the club over as he's now backed into a corner, some consortium will get the club for a hefty fee but still on the cheap compared to what Roman was asking for. The proceeds of the sale will then be the thing that is being sanctioned against Roman and not the club.

At least that's how I understand it. I don't think the government want to damage Chelsea any further than it needs to. It would suit all parties involved [except Roman perhaps] if the sale of the club is processed quickly.
 
He could always sell the rest of his holding to Silver Lake if that ever happened. Just don't make the mistake that Abramovich made and not sell up before sanctions are imposed!
Ride it out or accept pence to the pound.
 
Abramovic, quite rightly, has been sanctioned by virtue of his association with a murderous, oppressive regime. Given this, I wonder whether the spotlight might again be turned on Newcastle United. In common with Russia, Saudi Arabia's rulers have overseen a repressive regime at home and been directly involved in the civil war in Yemen for some years. Independent reporting has identified numerous human rights abuses committed by the Saudis including war crimes, unlawful or arbitrary killings, forced disappearances, torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment and arbitrary arrest and detention. Sound familiar? In spite of the stark similarities, both the football authorities and the government were content to wave the PIF purchase through.
Someone at the very top of the Saudi regime ordered the murder of the Saudi journalist Khasoggi. Apart from few words being said, not one western country did a thing.
Saudi Arabia are assisting an ally, Yemen, in fighting an insurgency. The west see them as the good guys.
We are currently asking the Saudis to use their influence within OPEC to supply more oil to us.
Johnson is NOT going to say one nasty word never mind sanction them, the UAE Mansour or City.
 
Chelsea will be fine......if anything they could be better off

Roman will now sell the club for say £2 billion rather then the 3

the £2 billion is sanctioned and Chelsea are free from sanctions

The billion saved by the new owners can be put towards a new stadium
 
Someone at the very top of the Saudi regime ordered the murder of the Saudi journalist Khasoggi. Apart from few words being said, not one western country did a thing.
Saudi Arabia are assisting an ally, Yemen, in fighting an insurgency. The west see them as the good guys.
We are currently asking the Saudis to use their influence within OPEC to supply more oil to us.
Johnson is NOT going to say one nasty word never mind sanction them, the UAE Mansour or City.
While I obviously don't want to see my club sanctioned, you're absolutely right.
 
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Abramovic, quite rightly, has been sanctioned by virtue of his association with a murderous, oppressive regime. Given this, I wonder whether the spotlight might again be turned on Newcastle United. In common with Russia, Saudi Arabia's rulers have overseen a repressive regime at home and been directly involved in the civil war in Yemen for some years. Independent reporting has identified numerous human rights abuses committed by the Saudis including war crimes, unlawful or arbitrary killings, forced disappearances, torture and cases of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment and arbitrary arrest and detention. Sound familiar? In spite of the stark similarities, both the football authorities and the government were content to wave the PIF purchase through.
Just ten posts before yours, I posted this:
Because UAE aren’t going to wage war on us… we may very well, and it’s looking fairly likely, that we will be going to war with Russia and World War 3.

The amount of “yeah but what about…” I’ve seen on this site over the last few weeks shows a lack of understanding about what’s actually going on and what it could lead to. Too many people are too bothered about “yeah but what about the West in Iraq?” “yeah but what about UAE in Yemen?” (considering Britain and America are on the same side as UAE in the war in Yemen, I don’t think that’s really a valid one to point out).

This is about Russia, now. If they succeed in Ukraine and then attack a NATO country next - Estonia or Latvia, for example - which coukd quite feasibly happen, then we will be at war with Russia in WW3.

If we can hinder them now while they’re still struggling in Ukraine, this is how we stop the escalation happening without having to be the ones who enact war on Russia from our side by fighting with Ukraine in Ukraine militarily, starting WW3 ourselves.
The UK is on the same side as Saudi Arabia in the war in Yemen. We can’t sanction Saudi Arabia or UAE there in that war (a war that, in fact, where Saudi and UAE are actually fighting against a group who tried to overthrow the government, it’s not this evil war they’ve waged on innocents it’s made out to be by those sports journalists who like to virtue signal about “Abu Dhabi state funded Manchester City human rights abusers”) because we’re supplying them with weapons and money and assumingly not disagreeing with their tactics.
 
Chelsea will be fine......if anything they could be better off

Roman will now sell the club for say £2 billion rather then the 3

the £2 billion is sanctioned and Chelsea are free from sanctions

The billion saved by the new owners can be put towards a new stadium
As I understand it, the terms of the sanctions imposed on Abramovic forbid him from now selling the club.
 
And therefore any team with Chinese based sponsors should be sanctioned as I would hazard a guess they will win the body count again this year.
Because this isn’t about just plucking a random invasion out of thin air and just saying “right, we’ll ignore all the others and just concentrate on this one”… we are doing this as a tactic because we could very well end up in war with Russia. Russia directly threaten us if Putin’s expansionist wishes run through Ukraine and then threaten a NATO country next like Estonia and Latvia.

As bad as anything that China are doing, China isn’t doing anything that is threatening the UK or NATO. Neither are UAE (and certainly, obviously, Silver Lake aren’t).
 
Just ten posts before yours, I posted this:

The UK is on the same side as Saudi Arabia in the war in Yemen. We can’t sanction Saudi Arabia or UAE there in that war (a war that, in fact, where Saudi and UAE are actually fighting against a group who tried to overthrow the government, it’s not this evil war they’ve waged on innocents it’s made out to be by those sports journalists who like to virtue signal about “Abu Dhabi state funded Manchester City human rights abusers”) because we’re supplying them with weapons and money and assumingly not disagreeing with their tactics.
In 2019 a UN report said the US, UK and France were complicit in committing war crimes in Yemen by selling weapons and providing support to the Saudi-led coalition which is using the deliberate starvation of civilians as a tactic of warfare. I don't disagree with you but reject any accusations of whataboutery. Any comparisons I was seeking to make concerned the broader issue of human rights abuses and the inconsistent treatment of football club owners.
 
No the value isn't 0. It'll be still in the billions, or at least over 1B. If Roman agrees to hand the club over as he's now backed into a corner, some consortium will get the club for a hefty fee but still on the cheap compared to what Roman was asking for. The proceeds of the sale will then be the thing that is being sanctioned against Roman and not the club.

At least that's how I understand it. I don't think the government want to damage Chelsea any further than it needs to. It would suit all parties involved [except Roman perhaps] if the sale of the club is processed quickly.

Yeah agree but think the fee for the next buyer will be around 500m max maybe less just because what they taking on and the losses over the last year players leaving sponsors negotiating that needs to be done! Plus needing a new stadium

We all know it will be an American owner and we know how they work but they’ll be getting a fantastic club in great part of London.
 
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