Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

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Pingu the Penguin said:
Chelsea must be in the FFP rules sights by now surely. Amazing the amount of money they have spent in 12 months
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It’s been mentioned a couple of times but we’ve sold almost £300 million worth of players this summer. FFP is not a problem at all.
 
The thing about Chelsea that even IF all the cogs connect into place they still don't look that good on paper

Jackson has a lot to shoulder, better #9's have failed at Chelsea...and the truth is one half season aside the guy has barely done anything. He's deffo not a Haaland/Kane and Doubt anyone would swap him for Isak, Jesus, Gakpo, Nunes etc.

Colwill is a good prospect, but he is a prospect. Teams will get chances against him .yes it'll pay off in a few years getting him this exposure but to break into top 4 it'll be a task.

James and Chillwell are good when they are fit which isn't always the case (especially for Chillwell).

Mudryk I just dunno what they were thinking, the guy was NEVER a €100mil player and I doubt he will be will all the pressure he's under. He'll be sold in a few years for 50% or less like Sancho at United

Madueke, Chukwuemeka and the rest of the young guys are good prospects at best, none are extraordinary and consensus has always been they've overpaid

Thiago Silva is the glue, yet the guy is almost 40 he's gonna dive off eventually

Kepa had a good year but arguably the worst keeper of the big 6 other than Spurs

Just can't see a scenario they get top 4 this year other than united/spurs/Newcastle all have a huge drop off (fairly confident Liverpool will be at least top 4 and Arsenal and us will)
 
handsofstone said:
The thing about Chelsea that even IF all the cogs connect into place they still don't look that good on paper

Jackson has a lot to shoulder, better #9's have failed at Chelsea...and the truth is one half season aside the guy has barely done anything. He's deffo not a Haaland/Kane and Doubt anyone would swap him for Isak, Jesus, Gakpo, Nunes etc.

Colwill is a good prospect, but he is a prospect. Teams will get chances against him .yes it'll pay off in a few years getting him this exposure but to break into top 4 it'll be a task.

James and Chillwell are good when they are fit which isn't always the case (especially for Chillwell).

Mudryk I just dunno what they were thinking, the guy was NEVER a €100mil player and I doubt he will be will all the pressure he's under. He'll be sold in a few years for 50% or less like Sancho at United

Madueke, Chukwuemeka and the rest of the young guys are good prospects at best, none are extraordinary and consensus has always been they've overpaid

Thiago Silva is the glue, yet the guy is almost 40 he's gonna dive off eventually

Kepa had a good year but arguably the worst keeper of the big 6 other than Spurs

Just can't see a scenario they get top 4 this year other than united/spurs/Newcastle all have a huge drop off (fairly confident Liverpool will be at least top 4 and Arsenal and us will)
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Bizarre that Colwill was considered a £50m player but his captain THB is available for £15-20m
Contract length maybe? The left footed centre half rarity?
Maybe City’s insistence on a buy back clause?
Colwill’s one year in the PL?
Who knows. But I’m struggling to comprehend the apparently huge differencein apparent external transfer values
 
LongsightM13 said:
Bizarre that Colwill was considered a £50m player but his captain THB is available for £15-20m
Contract length maybe? The left footed centre half rarity?
Maybe City’s insistence on a buy back clause?
Colwill’s one year in the PL?
Who knows. But I’m struggling to comprehend the apparently huge differencein apparent external transfer values
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I do think that Colwill passes the eye test to the point that fans will say he has a "higher ceiling", but I get you

I think with Colwill he already has that year of prem experience which sets him above

But also agree with the questions you raised, we just aren't as scared of selling prospects as the other big clubs, plus we sell slightly under value then add clauses and/or buy-back options
 
Personally I hope they get their act together this season, we need em taking points of the offended and noisy neighbours.

Surely they can’t be any worse than last season just can’t believe how they’ve gone from one of the best teams in the league to what they are now.

Never had a problem with the chavs and was hoping we would have taken James off em at some point an absolute gem of a defender.

Good luck for the new season and here’s hoping you twat the above teams.
 
roach3 said:
Personally I hope they get their act together this season, we need em taking points of the offended and noisy neighbours.

Surely they can’t be any worse than last season just can’t believe how they’ve gone from one of the best teams in the league to what they are now.

Never had a problem with the chavs and was hoping we would have taken James off em at some point an absolute gem of a defender.

Good luck for the new season and here’s hoping you twat the above teams.
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Thanks mate.

Yes, we've fallen far and quickly.

The sequence of events that started with that lunatic Putin invading Ukraine has certainly created a domino effect at Chelsea the likes of which we've never seen.

However, Chelsea haven't been a truly top team for circa 5 years imo. Yes, we won the CL in 2021, but I think that was almost an anomaly - a bit of new manager bounce, luck of the draw, and yes, a half decent side with a couple of stars (Kante).

I'm excited for the new season and hope we can progress. But to be clear I certainly don't envisage us being up at the top. I'd see us finishing 5th as a 'trophy' this season.

Jeez, CL places seen as solid achievements? I must be turning into a Gooner! [emoji23]
 
Bought sanchez from Brighton for £25m.
Biy of a strange one for me. They've now got 2 keepers who are OK - but just OK.
Neither are good enough to help them mount a title challenge but both are too good to be happy sitting on the bench all season and they will both think they are better than the other so will be pissed off if they don't start.
 
Vialli98 said:
It’s been mentioned a couple of times but we’ve sold almost £300 million worth of players this summer. FFP is not a problem at all.
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Na, even without bonus payments and Agents fees you’ve spent net 500m Euro’s in the past 12 months. That’s not including Sanchez or the 100m you will buy Caceido for. I think @projectriver had already done the research and you’re breaking FFP rules. Will be so funny to see how you are dealt with.
 
Vialli98 said:
It’s been mentioned a couple of times but we’ve sold almost £300 million worth of players this summer. FFP is not a problem at all.
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Just out of interest, do you know the amortised value of the players sold because what affects FFP isn't the cash you receive, but the profit or loss you make and the wages that come off the books, not the cash received ....
 
hammocity said:
Na, even without bonus payments and Agents fees you’ve spent net 500m Euro’s in the past 12 months. That’s not including Sanchez or the 100m you will buy Caceido for. I think @projectriver had already done the research and you’re breaking FFP rules. Will be so funny to see how you are dealt with.
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In fact, it’s a huge problem both for the PL and the more stringent UEFA tests. Conservatively, on my numbers (based on Swiss Ramble’s numbers), Chelsea needed to do something like £125m-130 profit from trading. They were up around £40m before June. They sold Havertz and Kovacic at profit before 30 June (something like £45m profit). Mendy and Koulably together were profit neutral. Seem well short of break even on the P&S test. But regardless 2023/24 is a massive loss making year (no shirt or sleeve sponsor and no Europe) so I think they need in excess of £250m player trading profit in 2023/24 to balance the 3 year loss. RBC and Mount together were £70m of this and they do have some more youth to sell but they can’t get to £250-300m. So even if they somehow pass 2022/23 they will fail 23/24. Gross player sales is not relevant - you can sell £300m and lose money for FFP tests. Chelsea fans can keep saying it’s fine but I promise it’s not and I think it’s more likely they are budgeting to fail and to pay the fine.
 
projectriver said:
In fact, it’s a huge problem both for the PL and the more stringent UEFA tests. Conservatively, on my numbers (based on Swiss Ramble’s numbers), Chelsea needed to do something like £125m-130 profit from trading. They were up around £40m before June. They sold Havertz and Kovacic at profit before 30 June (something like £45m profit). Mendy and Koulably together were profit neutral. Seem well short of break even on the P&S test. But regardless 2023/24 is a massive loss making year (no shirt or sleeve sponsor and no Europe) so I think they need in excess of £250m player trading profit in 2023/24 to balance the 3 year loss. RBC and Mount together were £70m of this and they do have some more youth to sell but they can’t get to £250-300m. So even if they somehow pass 2022/23 they will fail 23/24. Gross player sales is not relevant - you can sell £300m and lose money for FFP tests. Chelsea fans can keep saying it’s fine but I promise it’s not and I think it’s more likely they are budgeting to fail and to pay the fine.
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Maybe Gill will change ffp for the 4th time and put in a "new owner" spend what you want for 3 years rule!

We know the rags will have new owners soon so Gill always changes ffp to suit his team...
 
projectriver said:
In fact, it’s a huge problem both for the PL and the more stringent UEFA tests. Conservatively, on my numbers (based on Swiss Ramble’s numbers), Chelsea needed to do something like £125m-130 profit from trading. They were up around £40m before June. They sold Havertz and Kovacic at profit before 30 June (something like £45m profit). Mendy and Koulably together were profit neutral. Seem well short of break even on the P&S test. But regardless 2023/24 is a massive loss making year (no shirt or sleeve sponsor and no Europe) so I think they need in excess of £250m player trading profit in 2023/24 to balance the 3 year loss. RBC and Mount together were £70m of this and they do have some more youth to sell but they can’t get to £250-300m. So even if they somehow pass 2022/23 they will fail 23/24. Gross player sales is not relevant - you can sell £300m and lose money for FFP tests. Chelsea fans can keep saying it’s fine but I promise it’s not and I think it’s more likely they are budgeting to fail and to pay the fine.
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People were talking about a points deduction for Everton overspending.

Also, with these fines from UEFA for the likes of Utd and Chelsea, does this mean the PL rules may also have been breached?
 
HelloCity said:
People were talking about a points deduction for Everton overspending.

Also, with these fines from UEFA for the likes of Utd and Chelsea, does this mean the PL rules may also have been breached?
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I think points deductions for P&S/FFP breaches are unlikely.
 
Here are my numbers if anyone cares. The required profit on player sales on these numbers are c.£133m and £312m for 22/23 (just ended) and 23/24 (current FY) respectively. Numbers can swing £25m on both revenues and costs probably but that could easily be a negative swing.

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Game4ukraine at stamford bridge, rumour that boehly to spend another 100m at half time
 
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