Chris Bailey article (The voice of reason)

Prestwich_Blue said:
Dubai Blue said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
I work in IT and I am currently working on a huge project for a global company. They're spending a lot of money to replace a raft of their previous systems with a brand spanking new one. It may surprise you (but not anyone else who works in IT) that currently it doesn't do everything better than the old systems and it still doesn't do some things at all. Ultimately it will but not until they've done a load of work and developed and implemented all the stuff they want. Which is what we are doing. At the moment they can't get a lot of reports and people are kicking off about it. But there isn't enough in there yet to be able to provide those so they are going to have to wait.

So you could look at it one way and say "We've spent all this money but we've gone backwards. Let's forget the new system, rip it out and either go back to the old one or get another new one and start again." Or you could say "We've spent a lot of money and at the moment it looks like we've gone backwards but we're in a transitional state and it's a bit messy. But if we carry on with the plan, we will have a far better system than we had before."
Nice analogy on the surface, but I imagine this brand spanking new system has been tried and tested elsewhere and has proven to bring improvements to organisations after the initial set-up phase. That is why your organisation has opted for it and why, I assume, you have faith that it will all work out well in the future.

Mark Hughes does not come with a proven, tried-and-tested formula for success and, as such, I don't have similar levels of faith in him to deliver the goods.

Why stick with spluttering mid-range machinery when you can go and get the top-of-the-range gear? The more expensive gear might not come with a guarantee for success either, but it's more likely to deliver than the bog-standard stuff.

(Right, enough of the analogies ;-))
Having a tried and tested IT system is absolutely no guarantee of project success believe me. I know one big organisation based in Manchester that wasted something like £35m on two unsuccessful implementations of software that is used perfectly well by orther leading companies. This happened because their expectations were completely unrealistic and their planning and execution were woeful.
so we have a good team but the managers/owners/chairmans planning and execution are woeful ?
 
GStar said:
I was coming from an overall standpoint, not picking our a particular post of your but your posts as a collection.

Well, I'll keep commenting on the things that I think are worth commenting on.

If that gets too much for you to bear, theres always the foe button.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This happened because their expectations were completely unrealistic and their planning and execution were woeful.
As bad as Hughsie's? ;-)

Fair enough.
 
moomba said:
GStar said:
I was coming from an overall standpoint, not picking our a particular post of your but your posts as a collection.

Well, I'll keep commenting on the things that I think are worth commenting on.

If that gets too much for you to bear, theres always the foe button.

You obviously don't like Hughes but can you not see that the squad is now a lot stronger and with two or three decent signings we could really kick on next season? Most the shit that leaves us very weak in certain areas when we get an injury or two were not bought by Hughes.Next season Gelson,Benji and co won't be having to play.
 
Craig said:
moomba said:
GStar said:
I was coming from an overall standpoint, not picking our a particular post of your but your posts as a collection.

Well, I'll keep commenting on the things that I think are worth commenting on.

If that gets too much for you to bear, theres always the foe button.

You obviously don't like Hughes but can you not see that the squad is now a lot stronger and with two or three decent signings we could really kick on next season? Most the shit that leaves us very weak in certain areas when we get an injury or two were not bought by Hughes.Next season Gelson,Benji and co won't be having to play.

benji and gelson have hardly played this season so how you can think them not being here next season would make a difference is beyond me.
 
Craig said:
You obviously don't like Hughes but can you not see that the squad is now a lot stronger and with two or three decent signings we could really kick on next season?

I think the squad is much stronger, I would expect that having spent £120m on it.

As for kicking on next season, if we're going to spend what we're rumoured to spend we couldn't not kick on.

I've said before on here that I think any City manager with resources will eventually succeed given enough time, and that goes for Hughes. I just think others will succeed quicker, and in a manner I want us to succeed.
 
Craig said:
moomba said:
GStar said:
I was coming from an overall standpoint, not picking our a particular post of your but your posts as a collection.

Well, I'll keep commenting on the things that I think are worth commenting on.

If that gets too much for you to bear, theres always the foe button.

You obviously don't like Hughes but can you not see that the squad is now a lot stronger and with two or three decent signings we could really kick on next season? Most the shit that leaves us very weak in certain areas when we get an injury or two were not bought by Hughes.Next season Gelson,Benji and co won't be having to play.
My major problem with Hughes is this:

Yes, our squad is now stronger, and yes, his signings have (on the whole) been great. I also expect him to add more talent to the squad in the summer so that we will have an even stronger group of players.

BUT, I have absolutely no faith in Mark Hughes actually managing that group of players to a satisfactory level. Assembling the squad is one thing, but then knowing what to do with it is an entirely different kettle of fish. I'm afraid I just don't believe in him.
 
moomba said:
GStar said:
I was coming from an overall standpoint, not picking our a particular post of your but your posts as a collection.

Well, I'll keep commenting on the things that I think are worth commenting on.

If that gets too much for you to bear, theres always the foe button.

Kind of defeats the whole point of the board. Im not here to make emenies and argue.
 
Dubai Blue said:
BUT, I have absolutely no faith in Mark Hughes actually managing that group of players to a satisfactory level. Assembling the squad is one thing, but then knowing what to do with it is an entirely different kettle of fish. I'm afraid I just don't believe in him.

Interesting, I understand the offs he has had with some players (ie. Elano) have been because Hughes' time in control has been a huge shift from the relaxed easy atmosphere of Eriksson to a hard tough regime of work and discipline. The way I understand it is, the reason we have had some issues this season is that some players had become used to this rather lazy way of doing things and Hughes doesn't accept that.

And of course, we should disregard statements from any first team player talking on this issue to the press saying that he's just the right man for the job - sure you know better..hmm.
 

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