Christian McFarlane

How is this CFG's fault? By all accounts we had a deal setup for a new stadium at Flushing Meadows, but the locals were up in arms over it because of congestion fears. That was apparently the major hold up.

The new stadium had to be limited to 30000 capacity to stop the Americans moaning & get the deal over the line. The new $3bn City Park project will deliver thousands of affordable homes & jobs, a retail park, hotels, a school/college & is expected to deliver $6bn in economic benefits, but Hank & Skylar are STILL whining! There's no pleasing some people...
CFG were holding out for tax incentives and were proposing deals that weren't acceptable to locals. Plenty of blame to be shared.

I assume you've never driven in Flushing, but I've driven there many, many times and the congestion fears are totally justified. 9/10 times it's a nightmare even without the new stadium. Train service is poor and NYCFC's season overlaps with the Mets and the US Open next door. Is it possible people who actually live there know more than you?
 
CFG were holding out for tax incentives and were proposing deals that weren't acceptable to locals. Plenty of blame to be shared.

I assume you've never driven in Flushing, but I've driven there many, many times and the congestion fears are totally justified. 9/10 times it's a nightmare even without the new stadium. Train service is poor and NYCFC's season overlaps with the Mets and the US Open next door. Is it possible people who actually live there know more than you?
So we agree the main hold up was the locals being up in arms about yet more congestion being added to an already congested area, rather than City spending 10 years doing fuck all about building a new bespoke football (not soccer) stadium for NYCFC?

As for the tax incentives requests, City were well within their rights to push for this seeing as the $3bn project was to come out of CFG's pocket. Can you show me where this particular aspect of City Park massively delayed the commencement of the project?
 
So we agree the main hold up was the locals being up in arms about yet more congestion being added to an already congested area, rather than City spending 10 years doing fuck all about building a new bespoke football (not soccer) stadium for NYCFC?

As for the tax incentives requests, City were well within their rights to push for this seeing as the $3bn project was to come out of CFG's pocket. Can you show me where this particular aspect of City Park massively delayed the commencement of the project?
Did I say CFG did fuck all? My point is that building anything in NYC is complicated and CFG's approach is partly to blame. They put locals off, particularly in the Bronx where the stadium was originally supposed to be built. You're the one calling locals moaners for complaining about the effect on their neighborhood.

CFG are paying $780m for the stadium. The city is leasing them the lot, which will save CFG about $500m in tax. The housing and ancillary buildings are public-private builds and I haven't seen CFG say they're paying for any of them.

The fact you think people in that area are named Hank shows how little you know. The area's about 70% Asian, the rest mostly Hispanic, largely recent immigrants and their children. Again, maybe you don't know what you're talking about and should leave this aside.
 
Did I say CFG did fuck all? My point is that building anything in NYC is complicated and CFG's approach is partly to blame. They put locals off, particularly in the Bronx where the stadium was originally supposed to be built. You're the one calling locals moaners for complaining about the effect on their neighborhood.

CFG are paying $780m for the stadium. The city is leasing them the lot, which will save CFG about $500m in tax. The housing and ancillary buildings are public-private builds and I haven't seen CFG say they're paying for any of them.

The fact you think people in that area are named Hank shows how little you know. The area's about 70% Asian, the rest mostly Hispanic, largely recent immigrants and their children. Again, maybe you don't know what you're talking about and should leave this aside.
Looking back to one of the earlier posts, the Yanks main point of their incessant whining was after 10 years, they STILL didn't have a stadium. I merely pointed out it wasn't for the want of CFG trying for all the reasons listed, but did this stop the Hal's & Karen's moaning? Seemingly not!

In future, wind your neck in & engage your brain so you don't forget how & where this exchange started. CFG have bought value to NYC & all those entitled Yanks can do is bellyache about everything.
 
Looking back to one of the earlier posts, the Yanks main point of their incessant whining was after 10 years, they STILL didn't have a stadium. I merely pointed out it wasn't for the want of CFG trying for all the reasons listed, but did this stop the Hal's & Karen's moaning? Seemingly not!

In future, wind your neck in & engage your brain so you don't forget how & where this exchange started. CFG have bought value to NYC & all those entitled Yanks can do is bellyache about everything.
And I explained to you, as someone who lives nearby, why they're moaning.

I know you think you understand the situation from your computer in England and know better than the evil Yanks. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe when the stadium's done you can fly over, stand on a milk crate outside and harangue people for being insufficiently grateful to this global business conglomerate you love so much.
 
And I explained to you, as someone who lives nearby, why they're moaning.

I know you think you understand the situation from your computer in England and know better than the evil Yanks. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe when the stadium's done you can fly over, stand on a milk crate outside and harangue people for being insufficiently grateful to this global business conglomerate you love so much.
It's not that deep for me dude. We agree on the substantive point that the locals were up in arms about the additional congestion to be added to the existing congestion as the main reason for the delay in building the stadium.

In that respect, why are the Yanks moaning at CFG for not buildung a new stadium within the first 10 years of NYCFC ownership? Also, why're you introducing a whole plethora of strawman side arguments which are irrelevant to the main issue that's caused the construction delays of City Park?

Stop the bleeding whining man... Jeez!
 
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I don't think I'm whining or constructing strawmen, I'm explaining why some people in NY think the way they do about CFG. You are free to think they're ungrateful whiners from across the ocean. We're going in circles about NYC neighborhood politics in a thread about a City youth player so let's agree to disagree.
 
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Looks like he made his debut

After a thrilling 2-2 draw in 90 minutes, 10-man City's Under-19s won a dramatic penalty shootout 5-4 to overcome FC Midtjylland in the UEFA Youth League Round of 32.

CITY XI | Whatmuff, Samuel, Alleyne, Simpson-Pusey, Mfuni, Gray, Henderson-Hall (McAidoo 46’), J. Heskey, Oboavwoduo (Warhurst 76’), Mukasa, R. Heskey (McFarlane 76’).

UNUSED SUBS | Hudson, Noble, Braithwaite, Dunbar-McDonald.
 

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