City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Bill]

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We should now just give them two-fingers big-time.... Sign Ronaldo, Messi, Ibrahimovic... every fucking big name football star in Europe... fuck the cost, fuck if we earned the money or not... just buy them, then turn round to UEFA and tell them to go fuck themselves!
Then sit back and watch all the sponsorship pull-out because their star players wouldn't be in it!

bang on the money.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

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Have you got any kind of a background in Law mate?

I'll answer that.....has he fuck

Exactly my point, he should go away and stop repeating ed's bullshit before he embarrasses himself.

The thing is there is that much illinformed opinion out there in the press etc, that our little rag like many others obviously thinks he is some kind of FFP guru....like someone else said he needs to stop typing and start reading

 

[SWP's back]

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It's quite funny that a lot of you seem to be missing the bigger picture here. UEFA Champions League is an invite only competition, so you could refuse to pay the fine or boycott the Champions League if you really wanted, but you really think it'll hurt UEFA?

They'll simply invite the next available team into the Champions League and life would move on. You're not important enough to derail the Champions League through boycotting, it would still remain the most prestigious club level competition available and you'd just be the ones missing out - which again, would simply hurt you financially through lack of sponsorships.

For those of you calling it "pocket change", wow, it shows just how ridiculous your views on money in football have become from your sugar daddies looking after you. £50 million is an incredible fine. Money even your club wouldn't want to lose.

Again, City would probably refuse to pay or challenge in a court of law, however I think the fear of no Champions League is a much scarier idea.

Laws apply, whether it is invitation only or not.

It's hard to argue in a court of law against rulings for an invite only competition. Essentially, City may escape having the fine but UEFA could easily retaliate by withdrawing future invitations. UEFA control the Champions League, not City.

You haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about you twat.

 

[aguero93:20]

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I have no agenda here, I personally think it's embarrassing they're willing to charge clubs this amount for FFP yet refuse to take this strong of a stance for racism charges.

All I'm saying is people talking about boycotting the Champions League, or suing UEFA for losses if they're barred are being absent minded from the fact that UEFA can choose to exclude City from CL and face zero repercussions.

Have you got any kind of a background in Law mate?

No, I just doubt UEFA are stupid enough to action these level of sanctions without knowing precisely where they stand legally (although, I wouldn't put it past down).

Again, it shouldn't be near £50 million, and it shouldn't be near the same level as PSG. The squad reduction would be more than adequate.

OK I'll outline a few basic points for you:
-The EU and EU law take precedence over everyone else - they're the biggest fish in the pond
-You cannot limit equity investment under EU law
-You cannot limit salaries under EU law without the prior agreement of the workers affected, this hasn't been done with footballers
-FFPR aren't fit for their stated purpose - they limit investment not debt. (so not viable)
-Places in the Champions League have never been awarded via invite, they are awarded via merit and have been every season - top 3 in England, Spain, Germany plus Playoff round winners etc etc etc - UEFA can claim it's an invite only competition, but it won't stand up in a court of law
-Antitrust law forbids Cartels - the CL will be in danger of being named such a Cartel if it's turned into a closed shop through UEFA regulations.
Comprende?

 

[City Raider]

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I'd imagine the club are geared up to challenge but sensitive to how it is perceived. We've been trying to conduct a charm offensive for sme time and the last thing we need is to be seen as the club who take on the 'rules' the rest of the football world/media seem to agree with - despite us all knowing how flawed they are.

Short term we might concede to a few things while longer term quielty supporting someone else's challenge.

 

[dannyboiblue]

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quit champions league im not personally bothered its just our players what a shit feeling at a great part of the season. what implications will this have im not stupid but how bad is this.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

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Lets get our lawyers to work on it.

That's a brilliant idea Pam - you should suggest it to the club, as I bet it hasn't even occurred to them.

 

[Pam]

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I'll answer that.....has he fuck

Exactly my point, he should go away and stop repeating ed's bullshit before he embarrasses himself.

The thing is there is that much illinformed opinion out there in the press etc, that our little rag like many others obviously thinks he is some kind of FFP guru....like someone else said he needs to stop typing and start reading

Well considering his set of rag twats aren't even in the competition next year, he should think on.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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We should be singing this little gem that was posted a few days ago:

"UEFA told Sheikh Mansour
To sell his Lamborghini.
But he'll do what the hell he wants,
So fuck yourself Platini."

 

[Neville Kneville]

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I don't think we have any option about fighting it, if true.

1. £50m is not beer money, I don't care who you are. You could save a lot of lives in Africa with £50m and having it extorted out of you is not "OK" just because you can afford it. It's morally unacceptable.

2. The proposed squad restrictions and salary cap would seriously damage our chance of progress in the CL in future seasons.

3. It must mean that they have refused to accept our valuation on certain transactions. This does not only impact this year. It means we will miss again next year unless we cut our planned spending, which clearly we do not accept we must do.

First step in the process is a simple statement from us informing UEFA that we will not be paying the fine and not accepting the squad restrictions. Over to you...

In a footballing context, that right there is the big one, it will restrict a players availability, and ability to make money, in turn it would also damage our ability to attract players if they weren't allowed to play in the competition.

FFP is a straw man argument, cooler heads will prevail.

Maybe I'm just not reading this right but for what its worth

1) City negotiating hard on the sanctions is fine. UEFA have already extended the deadline so clearly there is some wriggle room. 2) The £50m fine does not (apparently) impact on the P&L as its paid directly by the owners and yeah I can see why it sticks in the gut - after all its not OK for you to invest in your club but it is OK to line our pockets ta very much. Also the fine is payable over 3 years so I don't know if you get let off later installments if you bring the club into profit 3) The reduction in CL squad size I am not convinced that its that big a deal (but I may be talking bollocks here)

I do see that accepting the sanctions is a tacit acceptance of wrongdoing which may be the issue as much as anything else but I also think going to war over perceived 'injustice' or hurt feelings is bad business. You only go to war when you are damn sure you are going to win. City will have already done the groundwork on a legal battle and the likely scenarios and consequences of winning or losing. Its great talking about going to war etc etc but at some point, and being entirely pragmatic, sucking it up and accepting some form of sanction may be the best course of action in the long term *dons tin hat*

This is obvious corruption & someone needs to put a stop to it.

The next thing they will do is try to fuck up the academy if that system takes off, by bringing in corrupt legislation there.