City in Berlin 1937....

Excellent article MES thanks for posting. The picture of Peter Doherty reminded me of my grandparents saying he was the greatest ever City player they had seen. My dad compared him to Colin Bell. Cheers.
 
But why have they used a photo of Peter in his blackpool kit
I suppose it is better than the picture in his QPR shirt ;)
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I asked Gary about this on Twitter yesterday. He can come along and add to it if he's so inclined and has the time,. Another knowledgeable Blue claimed that there were two of them, one burned at the start of the War and the other which went into the possession of a "member of staff", to which Gary followed up:

A director threw it into his collection when he came back from Germany & forgot about
it. It wasn't rediscovered until decades later. I had it on display at mcfc museum for
an exhibition on the power/politics of using sport. Symbolism huge of course.
[It survived] because it had been completely forgotten about and hidden in a box of City stuff
By time it was rediscovered the director had died-it was found by his adult grandson​

As for Doherty, my grandfather, who died in 1989 and was a lifelong Blue who first watched City at Hyde Road, maintained right to the end that Doherty was, without question, the greatest outfield player to play for the club. Bell was in second place, though he regretted only seeing Billy Meredith when the Welshman was nearing the very end of his career.He started watching City around the end of WW1 and reckoned the old timers used to talk about the young Meredith in awed tones.

Since I've started on this, a couple of other things he always used to say. Of the legendary 'keepers, he put Swift ahead of Trautmann but not by much. IIRC, he thought Swift had the stronger all-round game but did concede that Trautmann could make the odd miracle save that even Big Swifty wouldn't have stopped. He rated Corrigan highly once Big Joe really got his act together from approximately 1975 onwards, but thought the younger man a level below his two illustrious predecessors.

Another thing he banged on about - and this is a bit of a constant theme on BM (think Charlton 1985 and so on) - was that the 84K crowd against Stoke in 1934 was actually much bigger. The capacity then was 88K and he reckoned it was dangerously more than full, insisting the real gate must have been well over 90K. He reckoned that a lot of people got in free, going two at a time, and rumour had it that a couple of the exit gates were forced, allowing hundreds of people (if not more) to get in who didn't count towards the official figure.
 
Excellent piece Petrusha. My grandfather used to rate Swift over Trautmann just ,closely followed by big Joe.

I wonder where Silva would compare with Doherty and Bell. On the main forum there was a debate over who was the better, Bell or Silva. It was hard to compare the two.

My parents used to speak very highly of the Cup Final teams of the 1950's and in particular the performances of Bert Trautmann , Don Revie, Bobby Johnstone and Roy Paul.

Great to listen to memories of our older supporters.e
 
I was only 9 when we were beaten by Newcastle and was only able to watch on a 12 inch black and white t.v. There was a back story in the aftermath but I have told it elsewhere and wont bore you again with it. Heartbroken when we fell foul of the "Wembley" hoodoo, Jimmie Meadows had a leg break and we played the majority of the match with 10 men. Substitutes were still 20 years away, so understandably the lush Wembley turf took its toll. Roy Paul made the usual "we'll be back" battle cry and we all know he was right. The following year we were back and the 3 lads that got the goals to get us there all managed to get on the scoresheet. Another near tragedy of course when Bert dived at Murphys feet and emerged with his neck broken. The memory of him finishing the game in a daze is something even after all these years is etched indelibly in the old grey matter, even diving again at the same player's feet only a couple of minutes afterwards. A special mention should also go to Big Dave Ewing who performed heroics to keep out the Birmingham lads.
Always make smile when the usual suspects say we have no history, perhaps those two matches are a figment of my imagination.
 
The story is from my 'Big Book Of City' published about 6 years ago, and the Indy asked me if they could use my work. I helped them get it all sorted and gave images connected with the story, but I'm not certain why they didn't use them. The pennant does exist and so does the film of the game - http://www.movietone.com/N_search.cfm?ActionFlag=back2ResultsView&start=1&pageStart=1&totalRecords=1&V_DateType=2&V_DECADE=1930&V_FromYear=1928&V_QualifySubject=&V_storyNumber=&V_TermsToOmit=&V_ToYear=1980&V_searchType=1&V_MainSubject=Manchester City berlin&V_Year=1928&V_resultsPerPage=10

Enjoy! When I get chance I might post the entire story from my book - Cheers
 
Excellent piece Petrusha. My grandfather used to rate Swift over Trautmann just ,closely followed by big Joe.

I wonder where Silva would compare with Doherty and Bell. On the main forum there was a debate over who was the better, Bell or Silva. It was hard to compare the two.

My parents used to speak very highly of the Cup Final teams of the 1950's and in particular the performances of Bert Trautmann , Don Revie, Bobby Johnstone and Roy Paul.

Great to listen to memories of our older supporters.

My Dad loved the fifties team. He was born in 1939, so the 1956 Cup final was the first trophy he saw City claim. The same goes for an older Blue I know who emigrated to Canada but idolosed Trautmann in particular and who's a very knowledgeable guy. However, he maintains that, for the enjoyment of watching them, he'd take that mid-fifties team above any other he's seen City have.

Obviously I don't remember them. As far as I can tell from reading both City and general English football histories from around this period, my suspicion is that, while City played progressive football that was great to watch and while we had some top players including the best 'keeper in the English league by a mile, we might just have been a high-class player or two short when it came to challenging the likes of United and Wolves, the dominant clubs of the era.
 

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