City vs Bayern Munich Post match Thread

[neel]

Richards added: 'We tried. We've had a lot of games and there were a few tired legs tonight but we're a lot better than that.

'It's back to the drawing board now.'


Hate such excuses

 

[MSP]

They're just much better team who did not allow us to play better than we did. Simple as that.

Hart's early mistake helped them a lot though as it ruined everything so early.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Sorry if it's already been covered but can someone explain why Jovetic wasn't even in the squad? Injured?

 

[sam-caddick]

Richards added: 'We tried. We've had a lot of games and there were a few tired legs tonight but we're a lot better than that.

'It's back to the drawing board now.'


Hate such excuses

Indeed, they were playing Bayern Munich, the European Champions. Surely the excitement should see them through?

If they are tired this early on in the season then obviously their fitness is well under what it should be and that's not good enough.

 

[GoMancini7]

Bayern is world class, yeah.

But why we made it easy for them? Robben said h
it was easy and he didnt think it will be this easy for them to win 3-1 which could have been even more because they have a potential to play one level better than this.

But I tell you there will be teams in the Bundesliga that will make harder them to win a match. It will only happen with
A) good tactics
B) players giving their all on that day.

Thats how weaker teams can get results against better teams. Look at the FA Cup final vs Wigan, or Cardiff, Villa, Stoke vs us. They had some tactics, while their players gave their all. If Stoke striker would have been clinical we lose that match as well...

 

[NQCitizen]

It's all well and good blaming Pellegrini and saying that we should have played 5 in midfield, but 4-4-2 is the formation that clicked against Manchester United, did we really want to make a last minute change in formation in order to try and beat the European Champions at their own game?

There is no way we can compete in Europe if we are inflexible.

That formation worked against United because they were matched up and we have better players. Moyes made a similarly bad tactical error against us and ended up with the same result.

What happened tonight was that we completely surrendered the midfield to a team with better players - how anyone can think 4-4-2 would be anything but a disaster tonight, especially after five minutes of seeing how Bayern were lining up is a complete mystery.

We couldn't get the ball. Yet we changed nothing.

Pellegrini made an utter balls up of that tonight - simple as that. Not saying we would have won with perfect tactics, but we were close to humiliated as a result of decisions taken. It was almost amateurish.

If he had played 4-5-1 from the start, the result would have been the same with ol' Joe in goal and we'd have all been all ripping into Pellegrini for abandoning the formation that played to our strengths against Manchester Utd in order to be super clever against a Bayern side that were always going to be masters of the midfield.

Who would your extra midfielder have been, assuming Silva was not fit enough to play any earlier than he did? Anyone that was worth disrupting the usually-effective Fernandinho/Toure partnership for?

Everyone here loves to copy Jamie Hindsight Redknapp and Gary Red Nevil but in reality who was there to come off our bench and be a creative spark at the sacrifice of Aguero? Garcia and Milner.

Fernandinho Yaya
Navas Jovetic nasri
Aguero

Would have been a lot harder for Bayern to live with.

 

[daxman]

There is no way we can compete in Europe if we are inflexible.

That formation worked against United because they were matched up and we have better players. Moyes made a similarly bad tactical error against us and ended up with the same result.

What happened tonight was that we completely surrendered the midfield to a team with better players - how anyone can think 4-4-2 would be anything but a disaster tonight, especially after five minutes of seeing how Bayern were lining up is a complete mystery.

We couldn't get the ball. Yet we changed nothing.

Pellegrini made an utter balls up of that tonight - simple as that. Not saying we would have won with perfect tactics, but we were close to humiliated as a result of decisions taken. It was almost amateurish.

If he had played 4-5-1 from the start, the result would have been the same with ol' Joe in goal and we'd have all been all ripping into Pellegrini for abandoning the formation that played to our strengths against Manchester Utd in order to be super clever against a Bayern side that were always going to be masters of the midfield.

Who would your extra midfielder have been, assuming Silva was not fit enough to play any earlier than he did? Anyone that was worth disrupting the usually-effective Fernandinho/Toure partnership for?

Everyone here loves to copy Jamie Hindsight Redknapp and Gary Red Nevil but in reality who was there to come off our bench and be a creative spark at the sacrifice of Aguero? Garcia and Milner.

Fernandinho Yaya
Navas Jovetic nasri
Aguero

Would have been a lot harder for Bayern to live with.

Yup. I said as much. That was how I'd have started. But seriously, we might need to transition to one of the newer younger coaches soon. The tactical aspect of the game seem to be passing the older generation of great coach's by. The Klopps, Guardiolas, Martinez's and AVBs of the world are the ones adding new wrinkles to the game. And they are flummoxing the older generation of "effort and formation" coaches.

 

[NQCitizen]

If he had played 4-5-1 from the start, the result would have been the same with ol' Joe in goal and we'd have all been all ripping into Pellegrini for abandoning the formation that played to our strengths against Manchester Utd in order to be super clever against a Bayern side that were always going to be masters of the midfield.

Who would your extra midfielder have been, assuming Silva was not fit enough to play any earlier than he did? Anyone that was worth disrupting the usually-effective Fernandinho/Toure partnership for?

Everyone here loves to copy Jamie Hindsight Redknapp and Gary Red Nevil but in reality who was there to come off our bench and be a creative spark at the sacrifice of Aguero? Garcia and Milner.

Fernandinho Yaya
Navas Jovetic nasri
Aguero

Would have been a lot harder for Bayern to live with.

Yup. I said as much. That was how I'd have started. But seriously, we might need to transition to one of the newer younger coaches soon. The tactical aspect of the game seem to be passing the older generation of great coach's by. The Klopps, Guardiolas, Martinez's and AVBs of the world are the ones adding new wrinkles to the game. And they are flummoxing the older generation of "effort and formation" coaches.

Yeah it turns out the next watershed moment in football probably won't be the rebirth of the the 4-4-2.

As for AVB I think he's a fantastic manager and I'd take him tomorrow if Pellegrini was given the heave ho (I'd give him longer than that though)

 

[daxman]

Fernandinho Yaya
Navas Jovetic nasri
Aguero

Would have been a lot harder for Bayern to live with.

Yup. I said as much. That was how I'd have started. But seriously, we might need to transition to one of the newer younger coaches soon. The tactical aspect of the game seem to be passing the older generation of great coach's by. The Klopps, Guardiolas, Martinez's and AVBs of the world are the ones adding new wrinkles to the game. And they are flummoxing the older generation of "effort and formation" coaches.

Yeah it turns out the next watershed moment in football probably won't be the rebirth of the the 4-4-2.

As for AVB I think he's a fantastic manager and I'd take him tomorrow if Pellegrini was given the heave ho (I'd give him longer than that though)

Oh by soon, I mean after Pelegrini's reign is over. I am not the type who wants a coach out after one season, unless we miss out on everythin. If we won no trophies, failed to get out of the group, and failed to make top 4. Then I'd probably let him go at the end of the season. But we really need someone who is a superior tactician. Not just formations, but the tactics within the formations. Right now, Klopp, and Guardiola seem to be the 2 guys going beyond the basics stuff. AVB, Martinez and Laudraup seem to be on that track too. You can tell watching Guardiola and Klopp, that they are teaching specific decision making processes within different areas.

The more I watch Guardiola on the sideline, he just seems to be on a different level. Was watching before Goetze came in, up 3-0 yet the amount of instructions he was giving seemed exhaustive. Goetze at first kept warming up looking at the field and Guardiola grabbed his attention and kept instructing. That is just unusual from what you see with others. When a game is won you often see the last guy entering the game come to the line with the assistant who is pointing out where on the field he is going to play. Here Guardiola simply continued to lecture about a mutlitude of things. Pointionf to passes up field movement s downfield and shit like that.

I almost felt like hating him for a second. That just seems excessive. But that is what seems to make him better.

 

[bayern blade]

Well, where to start ? I thought we were absolutely fantastic last night, the best performance this season by far, I thought we could win but to put in a performance like that away at City, well I wasn't expecting it to be that good.
If Müller's shot had gone in instead of hitting the post at 3-0 we could have got 5 or 6. I still think City will qualify along with us but we should be able to win the group now, Ribery and Robben were immense.