CL Quarter Final Draw - Liverpool A Apr 4th - H Apr 10th

andy1234uk said:
It’s not 50/50 at all. We are superior in every department. They are a 1 man team who has the ability to change a game.

They are totally pace based attack. If we control the game like we did at anfield until we created 3 massive errors then we will wipe the floor with this lot. They scored 3 at their place from our cock ups, we dominated them with 10 men and we had no Silva.

The biggest hurdle will be the candle lighting, black armband media frenzy for the anniversary of hillsborough and mo salahs third cousins twice removed pet gerbil dieing. Woe is me, woe are all scousers.

I predict a tight and tense game at their place, then I predict a fucking slaughter followed by a riot at our place.

Stick your candle lighting istoree up your arse, sideways.
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“A fucking slaughter followed by a riot”.

Sounds like a great evening !
 
Lancet Fluke said:
I made it clear that I know we are a much better team than them, the league table tells us that much. But I think it would be daft to ignore our record at anfield, it is completely relevant and having a much better team than them hasn't helped our record there much since we became a top team and personally I don't expect that to change in this tie. I hope it does change and as we are a better team I accept it is entirely possible that it will but I am not expecting it to. And if we do go there and as usual don't perform then this tie is at best going to be right in the balance, hence my 50/50 comment. Anyway, it's all just opinion, we will soon find out and believe me I hope I am way off the mark and that you're right because I hate these ****s and nothing would make me happier at the moment than knocking them out of the CL.
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You’re right that we have to take the anfield record into account, but if you banked on any city team or manager to do away with this at the most important time, you’re looking at the current set up. If everyone turns up and he starts sterling on the bench and Kyle walker runs like an Olympian to never leave salahs side, then we will do them.
 
andy1234uk said:
I predict a tight and tense game at their place, then I predict a fucking slaughter followed by a riot at our place.
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I think this would be the best possible outcome. Let them start to believe after the 1st leg, then fucking murder them at God's own stadium. That would be beautiful.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
I’d be interested in the breakdown of that record though.

Obviously Klopp was in Germany and England before pep so are those results skewed in favour of klopp during the first season pep was in a league but in peps favour subsequently.

And haven’t a couple of meetings been in the German super cup ie their charity shield
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Bundesliga: 3-1 to Pep and Bayern (the 1 loss was just after Bayern had sealed the league_
German Cup: 1-1 Both went to extra-time... Bayern won 1 in extra time and BVB won the other on penalties
PL: 1-1-2 the 2 losses at Anfield and the win and draw at the Etihad

So the real record is Pep 5 and Klopp 4

Not counting the German equivalent of the Charity Shield.
 
I sit right near where all the usual aggro is concerned with Champions League, the Celtic game was interesting.

Wife now doesn't want me to take my little lad, who has a Jnr Citizen card.

What are customer services like with upgrading to an adult ticket ? I was gonna buy online Wednesday with his Citizen card but if I later give them a bell, will they let me pay the adult upgrade difference?

Anybody done this before?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I sit right near where all the usual aggro is concerned with Champions League, the Celtic game was interesting.

Wife now doesn't want me to take my little lad, who has a Jnr Citizen card.

What are customer services like with upgrading to an adult ticket ? I was gonna buy online Wednesday with his Citizen card but if I later give them a bell, will they let me pay the adult upgrade difference?

Anybody done this before?
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you can upgrade online mate , did my lads yesterday.
 
andy1234uk said:
You’re right that we have to take the anfield record into account, but if you banked on any city team or manager to do away with this at the most important time, you’re looking at the current set up. If everyone turns up and he starts sterling on the bench and Kyle walker runs like an Olympian to never leave salahs side, then we will do them.
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Salah will quite probably play on their right so I guess he could be up against Delph, Danilo, Zinchenko or even Mendy? But they have pace right across their front line so there's bound to be some moments where they expose us at the back no matter who plays where. We just need to be ultra composed in possession when they are pressing us and not give them the ball cheaply in our own half like we did in the 4-3 because as far as I can see that's all they do to us that other teams don't, they press us to fuck around our own box and with their pace they do it very effectively. People talk about the mistakes we made in the 4-3 but I don't believe it's a coincidence that we made those mistakes against liverpool. Remain calm and beat that press and it's a different game, start shitting our pants and it'll be another long night there.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Salah will quite probably play on their right so I guess he could be up against Delph, Danilo, Zinchenko or even Mendy? But they have pace right across their front line so there's bound to be some moments where they expose us at the back no matter who plays where. We just need to be ultra composed in possession when they are pressing us and not give them the ball cheaply in our own half like we did in the 4-3 because as far as I can see that's all they do to us that other teams don't, they press us to fuck around our own box and with their pace they do it very effectively. People talk about the mistakes we made in the 4-3 but I don't believe it's a coincidence that we made those mistakes against liverpool. Remain calm and beat that press and it's a different game, start shitting our pants and it'll be another long night there.
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You a closet scouser?
 
andy1234uk said:
You a closet scouser?
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No, can't fucking stand them, it's just the way I see it. They have a way of playing against us that involves a relentless and fairly effective high press. We beat that press, we will be fine but if we lose our composure like we did in the 4-3 then things are likely to unravel again like they did in that 10 minute spell. I'm not sure how saying that makes me a closet scouser but whatever.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
I genuinely don't think it is about buying into media bollocks. I totally take on board your points about the 4-3 defeat but I suspect the reason some blues are not as confident as they perhaps should be is our record there. That is reality not media spin. You say it was just one of those days but the problem is it is usually just one of those days when we play at anfield. We have had a better team than them for about 8 years now and our record there is still really poor. I absolutely know we have a significantly better team than them currently but I still don't share your optimism about us beating them comfortably. I think this is 50/50 and like Bert I am worried that we could have a mountain to climb in that second leg.
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Liverpool don't have a big match mentality. They choked the Europa League Final and only seem able to raise themselves for one-off occasions.

They conceded three at Arsenal, four at Spurs (another two at home), five against City. Five over two legs against Sevilla.

Drew at home to Chelsea. Loss and a draw at United.

This is all being masked by seven against Spartak, five against a Porto team that are in all but name these days.

No doubting, flat-track bullies when it comes to Watford, West Ham etc.

There's a huge gulf between us and them when it comes to mentality and overall quality.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
No, can't fucking stand them, it's just the way I see it. They have a way of playing against us that involves a relentless and fairly effective high press. We beat that press, we will be fine but if we lose our composure like we did in the 4-3 then things are likely to unravel again like they did in that 10 minute spell. I'm not sure how saying that makes me a closet scouser but whatever.
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Completely agree with you. They are the only team that have the players and system to press us effectively and the only time this season we have fallen to pieces was against them where we just totally lost our composure and ability to retain the ball. Id play Bernardo on the right as i feel he gives us more control of the ball, where sterling is more direct and threatening. Don't be afraid to go long (a bit like we did against Barcelona last season in the second half) and make sure the first 15 minutes is as dull and dour as we can make it.
 
feelymcfeel said:
I think this would be the best possible outcome. Let them start to believe after the 1st leg, then fucking murder them at God's own stadium. That would be beautiful.
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No no,what would be more beautiful would be to finally demolish them at Anfield.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Liverpool don't have a big match mentality. They choked the Europa League Final and only seem able to raise themselves for one-off occasions.

They conceded three at Arsenal, four at Spurs (another two at home), five against City. Five over two legs against Sevilla.

Drew at home to Chelsea. Loss and a draw at United.

This is all being masked by seven against Spartak, five against a Porto team that are in all but name these days.

No doubting, flat-track bullies when it comes to Watford, West Ham etc.

There's a huge gulf between us and them when it comes to mentality and overall quality.
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I agree with most of what you say there but for all their lacking big match mentality they do seem able to raise their game specifically against us at anfield. Hopefully this time we go there and our class tells.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
Salah will quite probably play on their right so I guess he could be up against Delph, Danilo, Zinchenko or even Mendy? But they have pace right across their front line so there's bound to be some moments where they expose us at the back no matter who plays where. We just need to be ultra composed in possession when they are pressing us and not give them the ball cheaply in our own half like we did in the 4-3 because as far as I can see that's all they do to us that other teams don't, they press us to fuck around our own box and with their pace they do it very effectively. People talk about the mistakes we made in the 4-3 but I don't believe it's a coincidence that we made those mistakes against liverpool. Remain calm and beat that press and it's a different game, start shitting our pants and it'll be another long night there.
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Mourinho actually exposed their press and went long into the channels. I do think this is a game where we need to mix it up and by-pass the midfield with clever balls into the corner channels for Sane and Sterling/Mendy to have their full-backs running back towards own goal.

Rashford did it and he's no Sane.

Another thing we could avoid is the hanging switched crossfield ball we normally do so well? It's just another ingredient which allows Liverpool's players to be overly aggressive and upset our rhythm and keep the crowd invested, as they can make it a duel physically.
 
willipp said:
Completely agree with you. They are the only team that have the players and system to press us effectively and the only time this season we have fallen to pieces was against them where we just totally lost our composure and ability to retain the ball. Id play Bernardo on the right as i feel he gives us more control of the ball, where sterling is more direct and threatening. Don't be afraid to go long (a bit like we did against Barcelona last season in the second half) and make sure the first 15 minutes is as dull and dour as we can make it.
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Agree with all that. Our best starting 11 has Raheem and Leroy on the wings but for the first leg I'd start with Bernardo for the reasons you say plus Raheem seems to have a bit of a mental block when it comes to going back there. Bring him on at some point when they start to tire after all their pressing.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
No, can't fucking stand them, it's just the way I see it. They have a way of playing against us that involves a relentless and fairly effective high press. We beat that press, we will be fine but if we lose our composure like we did in the 4-3 then things are likely to unravel again like they did in that 10 minute spell. I'm not sure how saying that makes me a closet scouser but whatever.
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Your talking sense mate.The other posters talking shite.Thinking Walkers gonna be marking Salah for one even though they play on opposite sides lol.Its gonna be two tough games especially at Anfield.the 4 3 wasn't a fluke they deserved to win and have been are toughest opponents so far this season.the mistakes we made that day weren't by accident.Liverpool harried us in to them are whole team were rattled that day.hopefully we will be more composed this time and will have learned from that.Having David silva and Kompany could be massive for us.they also have VVD who didn't play that day also though should be mentioned.Second leg at our place clinches it I believe just need a sensible mature performance in that first leg.
 
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