Club Badge (merged)

I'm no design expert, I could live without the words Manchester city but would be hugely disappointed if maroon found its way into a permanent badge. I don't see 'any' relevance to our home/permanent colours.

The club seem to be edging towads sky blue, white and navy which is fine as these colours are used by ourselves, as a rule you do need at least one bright contrasting colour for any letters or edgings otherwise it can look a bit bland
 
the maroon is used because some people moan about the manchester shield being red and gold so do maroon/gold as maroon has been associated with us for many years. personally I am happy with the Manchester arms of red and gold with ship on top with a round badge though whether the round should be sky blue with the shield on a white background like the original badge or white round with blue inner background I am easy on
 
the maroon is used because some people moan about the manchester shield being red and gold so do maroon/gold as maroon has been associated with us for many years. personally I am happy with the Manchester arms of red and gold with ship on top with a round badge though whether the round should be sky blue with the shield on a white background like the original badge or white round with blue inner background I am easy on

The Only problem with red apart from the obvious is that it kind of stands out quite badly on a sky blue kit, maroon, white and navy all fit in with sky blue, claret and blue is a good combo colour wise, I'm not that bothered if maroon is on there but red doesn't look good
 
Would love to get the Maltese cross in there somewhere even if only a tiny part of the badge.

I don't mind the Manchester Eagle but hate the stars. Has to be circular. I like the NYC badge actually.
 
right i'm done ... no more ... had my say ....

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2 of the flags at the top of the masts on the current badge point one way and the 3rd one points the other way, which doesn't make any sense if the wind is blowing they should be all be pointing the same way?
I talk about the inconsistency of the flags in the badge history talks I've been doing (last one next Wdnesday) - the original badge (1930s to 1972) and some early versions of the red rose badge (1972) had the flags all going the right way. It has been suggested it was changed for copyrighting purposes, but the original has them the right way. This is another of those points that have meaning that often people don't realise. Another reason why I keep going on about attending the lectures or visiting the consultation space or watching the badge history videos on the website. I'd urge anyone who has a question about the badges to ask. Best to get the info to help with the debate. Cheers
 
do you think fans (fans in general, old and new, not just us) are more interested about whether it looks good or not, over the actual meaning of the badge now? or is that just another asprect of varying opinions about of a badge should be?
I don't have an answer really. What I have noticed is that views have changed the more fans understand about each element. It's clear that the majority of fans want something representative of Manchester's history that has been used before on a badge (but not necessarily an old badge as a whole). There's debate on what specific elements matter most - hence my question earlier in the thread about which one element would fans pick if you could only have one. Overwhelmingly the use of the name Manchester City has been expressed to me personally, but ships, rivers, rose and eagles have their own fans.

Personally, design matters to me. The badges that include every element, no matter how little we know about their true meanings (such as the cross pattee), seem cluttered. The badge needs to stand out on shirts etc. I was in Croatia this summer and the Hajduk Split badge was everywhere. It really stood out. They've gone through lots of badge changes over the years for various reasons but their badge is recognisable and a strong part of their identity but very simple. I'm not saying that style is necessarily right for City, but it perhaps shows that badges can be simple, clean and stand out while also recognising historical context and identity.

What do you think geekingav? I'm not going to say what I prefer (unless I'm asked in the Q&A section of my talks) because I don't want to prejudice views, and I want fans to think about what matters to them personally. As individuals we need to submit our views to City. It's a great opportunity, let's use it. No other club has done this and I love what they're doing.
 
The Only problem with red apart from the obvious is that it kind of stands out quite badly on a sky blue kit, maroon, white and navy all fit in with sky blue, claret and blue is a good combo colour wise, I'm not that bothered if maroon is on there but red doesn't look good


The reason I like the red rose is its a good contrast on the sky blue. The badge may be around 5% of the shirt size & the red rose maybe 5% of that. Very small. I also like it because it is worn close to the heart on the body and a hart is full of red blood etc etc.
 
I don't have an answer really. What I have noticed is that views have changed the more fans understand about each element. It's clear that the majority of fans want something representative of Manchester's history that has been used before on a badge (but not necessarily an old badge as a whole). There's debate on what specific elements matter most - hence my question earlier in the thread about which one element would fans pick if you could only have one. Overwhelmingly the use of the name Manchester City has been expressed to me personally, but ships, rivers, rose and eagles have their own fans.

Personally, design matters to me. The badges that include every element, no matter how little we know about their true meanings (such as the cross pattee), seem cluttered. The badge needs to stand out on shirts etc. I was in Croatia this summer and the Hajduk Split badge was everywhere. It really stood out. They've gone through lots of badge changes over the years for various reasons but their badge is recognisable and a strong part of their identity but very simple. I'm not saying that style is necessarily right for City, but it perhaps shows that badges can be simple, clean and stand out while also recognising historical context and identity.

What do you think geekingav? I'm not going to say what I prefer (unless I'm asked in the Q&A section of my talks) because I don't want to prejudice views, and I want fans to think about what matters to them personally. As individuals we need to submit our views to City. It's a great opportunity, let's use it. No other club has done this and I love what they're doing.

One element in number order of importance
1. Manchester City
2. Ship
3. Rivers (btw is one the river mersey)
4. Rose
5. Cross pattee

Eagle? There isnt a number high enough.
 
I mention some on the previous page of this thread but lots of stuff coming out in the talks as well. I mentioned stuff last night about Ardwick existing at the same time as MCFC for a brief period (Ardwick played a game after MCFC was formed for example) and that the club described itself as an entirely new club when applying for League admission. That seemed to surprise a few.

Main point (again, apologies for going on and on about this) is that I'd urge all fans to fully understand every element before completing the questionnaires etc. One more talk left (next Wed lunchtime) - last chance to hear the history and to ask the questions before the consultation ends. Thanks

Hi Gary. In reference to the maltese cross; You say Ardwick Fc(formerly St. Marks) played a game after Mcfc were formed/registered. Did the players from Ardwick FC then all play for Mcfc and Ardwick FC disbanded? It seems like because Mcfc described itself as new it wanted to be free of Ardwick/St.Marks.
 
Hi Gary. In reference to the maltese cross; You say Ardwick Fc(formerly St. Marks) played a game after Mcfc were formed/registered. Did the players from Ardwick FC then all play for Mcfc and Ardwick FC disbanded? It seems like because Mcfc described itself as new it wanted to be free of Ardwick/St.Marks.
It's a long story but as the 1894-95 season approached newspapers talked of new signings and included comments like "...signed for City from the old Ardwick club" or "has joined City from Ardwick" etc. Not all the Ardwick players joined City; not all the directors became City directors and so on. Worth remembering that the cross pattee (it's not a Maltese cross - for anyone wondering about the meaning of crosses and so on it would be worth doing internet searches on terms like Cross pattee to see how it's been used/misused over the centuries and what significance these crosses can have) worn by 'the club' was worn in 1884 when the team had reformed as Gorton AFC. St. Mark's was the initial club but it evolved, reformed and was reconstituted several times along the way. The full story is in Amazon product ASIN B00M74AHNW and those early chapters can be read by using the 'look inside' feature if anyone wants to learn more (but not buy my book).
 
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The reason I like the red rose is its a good contrast on the sky blue. The badge may be around 5% of the shirt size & the red rose maybe 5% of that. Very small. I also like it because it is worn close to the heart on the body and a hart is full of red blood etc etc.

Sorry but my heart is blue blooded

Don't want any red if we can help it but that's my personal choice, I know we have had iconic Black and Red kits but prefer not to.
 
Sorry but my heart is blue blooded

Don't want any red if we can help it but that's my personal choice, I know we have had iconic Black and Red kits but prefer not to.

It's interesting that in the talks some people have made similar comments. Two that stick out are:

"No red at all!" - what about the red rose? "Yes, I'll have that"

and

"I want nothing on City's badge like the eagle that United have worn in a cup final" - okay, but they wore a red rose as a bespoke emblem in the 1909 final (years before it ever made its way on to a bespoke City emblem), and they've also worn ships (current badge) and the Manchester coat of arms (with almost every other element) in finals. Someone also pointed out they've worn the word Manchester and football club, so it was suggested all we'd be left with that was 'ours' was the stars and the word City.

It's a tricky business this badge consultation but, as I keep saying, get your views in to City through the consultation channels. This is a great opportunity and if you care passionately about any aspect of the badge then let them know. City are doing stuff here that no other club has done, so let's support them by ensuring they get as wide a cross section of support as they can.
 

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