Confusing question

[supercity88]

Three friends go out for dinner and split the bill, each putting in in £10, a total of £30.

The meal came to £25, and the waiter gives them £5 in change.

To split it equally between them, they keep £1 each, and leave £2 for the waiter.

After the friends are given £1 back, they have now only paid £9 each. That makes £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept, £29.

Where has the missing pound gone?

Nicely misleading!

The £27 they have all paid includes the £2 the waiter kept. So there is no missing pound.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I clocked that (along with the statement he paid with the stolen money) and put it down to bad wording more than anything having read on, he didn’t actually complete the offence of theft by leaving (or attempting to) leave the store which is generally considered the completion of the act. thereby confirming his intent of permanently depriving the owner of it, so, unless at some point he admits his intent afterwards, I didn’t see it as simple as that, which is why, for me, there’s a separate offence once he tenders that money for goods.

Seems there are at least two ways of looking at this, as the law sees it, and as the retailer sees it from a financial perspective.

The criminal act is taking the money from the till, not leaving the shop. Try going down to ASDA and snatching the money out of an open till, walk round the shop and then putting the money back with a jokey smile!

 

[snorky]

Did he have a bike outside?

 

[Zubrman]

Did he have a bike outside?

What the store has lost is much less than what the man has lost as he had his bike nicked which he'd left outside the shop.

 

[PragueBlue]

Quite simple really. Shop started with £170 in assets (£100 cash in the till and £70 in goods) and ended up with £70 in assets (£70 in the till). So the shop has lost £100.

 

[Dirty Harry]

The criminal act is taking the money from the till, not leaving the shop. Try going down to ASDA and snatching the money out of an open till, walk round the shop and then putting the money back with a jokey smile!

Yes I get that mate and wouldn’t expect any other action if he was caught, but I’d put that down to an ‘attempt’ rather than completing the whole offence.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Yes I get that mate and wouldn’t expect any other action if he was caught, but I’d put that down to an ‘attempt’ rather than completing the whole offence.

So if I snatch an old lady’s bag in the store but return it before leaving I am innocent? It’s a definite act, as is the taking of the money which clearly is someone else’s. A lawyer might argue mitigating circumstances such as the state of mind of the perpetrator or misdirection from a third party, but it’s a completed theft immediately after the act.

 

[Dirty Harry]

So if I snatch an old lady’s bag in the store but return it before leaving I am innocent? It’s a definite act, as is the taking of the money which clearly is someone else’s. A lawyer might argue mitigating circumstances such as the state of mind of the perpetrator or misdirection from a third party, but it’s a completed theft immediately after the act.

The aggrieved party is the old lady in that case and not the shop.

Don’t mistake that I was saying you were wrong mate, I wasn’t, just that I read it differently, and thereby took other things into account, like his guilt can’t have been established with the theft or the intent at that point because he’d not been found guilty by a court etc.

No sweat anyway mate, I’m on holiday so not really bothered one way or the other (no offence :-)).

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Three friends go out for dinner and split the bill, each putting in in £10, a total of £30.

The meal came to £25, and the waiter gives them £5 in change.

To split it equally between them, they keep £1 each, and leave £2 for the waiter.

After the friends are given £1 back, they have now only paid £9 each. That makes £27, plus the £2 the waiter kept, £29.

Where has the missing pound gone?

You’ll catch a few I’m sure.

You can calculate it a few ways, it amounts to the same though.
The bill is 25 + 2 tip = 27 + their 3 = the original 30.
Put another way, with tip the bill is 27. They ve each paid 9.

It’s not 27 plus tip.

 

[snorky]

So if I snatch an old lady’s bag in the store but return it before leaving I am innocent? It’s a definite act, as is the taking of the money which clearly is someone else’s. A lawyer might argue mitigating circumstances such as the state of mind of the perpetrator or misdirection from a third party, but it’s a completed theft immediately after the act.

I bet you opened the bag to see if there was any soiled old lady panties to sniff before you returned it didn't you? You total wrongun :)