COP26

[Mr Kobayashi]

If natural gas is subsidized to be cheaper than coal then why would the consumer pick coal. It can be done if there is funding and real willingness to pay up. Right now it is just about blame game and media propaganda.

Do we need to subsidize the gas though?

We could just have agreements to keep coal in the ground and destroy the market for it besides anything that can't do without in the short term e.g. Steel coking.

 

[Mancityus]

Do we need to subsidize the gas though?

We could just have agreements to keep coal in the ground and destroy the market for it besides anything that can't do without in the short term e.g. Steel coking.

How would power be generated ? Fossil fuels are still around 60% of the source even in US. Renewables constitute maybe 20%. You will need to provide a reasonable alternative power generators could use instead of coal. Again it is feasible to large extent but costs are prohibitive and asking developing nations to bear that which US and Europe cannot back up themselves means no agreement is happening.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

How would power be generated ? Fossil fuels are still around 60% of the source even in US. Renewables constitute maybe 20%. You will need to provide a reasonable alternative power generators could use instead of coal. Again it is feasible to large extent but costs are prohibitive and asking developing nations to bear that which US and Europe cannot back up themselves means no agreement is happening.

Well there are other benefits to not burning the dirtiest fuel, cleaner cities and less respiratory related health issues.

We can have a cost benefit analysis and destroy all organised human civilisation or we could have collective action.

Will India be asking for humanitarian assistance when coastal areas are underwater, what about their poorer neighbour Bangladesh? Have they given any consideration to them.

It's a failure on all sides.

 

[hilts]

You are so smart then why not start a campaign to return a trillion pounds British looted to India so they can clean up.
This is not for environment just return the loot.

Haha pmsl

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

COP-out.

 

[inchy14]

I have a bit more hope than you but I will say the pollies are very sly but in fairness all of them will be out of office and lapping up the big homes by the seaside like Obama hitting the CO2 express button like no tomorrow or extinct by 2050.

Bring on COP 27 to be hosted in the Maldives.

Will it still be there?

 

[inbetween]

What a fucking load of hypocritical bullshit. Destroyed the environment for two centuries and suddenly want rest of World to die silently as them striving to get a better life for themselves is gonna hurt the Environment. US and Europe need to pay up to clean the mess they created.

This is not true because where is this environmental destruction of the past? 30 years ago the area near me was only fields but today it's only housing estates. Total Co2 emissions in the industrial revolution 100 years ago were nothing compared to what they are now.

It is the rise of the populations of the east that are now driving this problem. The UK population in the 1950's was 58 million, it's now 69 million. In 1950 China had a population of 600 million but it's now nearly treble that. You cannot comprehend what is happening in places like China, it completely dwarves the scale of past western industrialisation.

So yeah we can continue to try to get the UK and others to atone for their sins but that won't stop climate change. China is refusing to budge and India will continue to contribute more as it grows so it's now irrelevant what we do or don't do.

Meanwhile we can build wind turbines and go solar, or even suffer by refusing to eat meat but it will not matter a single bit whilst countries like China increase their contributions. Even if the UK went completely carbon zero tomorrow, that's a 1% decrease in Co2 emissions globally but China is growing that by 5%+ every year!

 

[kaz7]

What a fucking load of hypocritical bullshit. Destroyed the environment for two centuries and suddenly want rest of World to die silently as them striving to get a better life for themselves is gonna hurt the Environment. US and Europe need to pay up to clean the mess they created.

I am doing my bit in many ways pal , i cant afford the new type boilers or an electric car , my point was the burden on us is going to push most people into debt , whilst china and india keep using coal it will matter not one jot , they played a blinder at this talking shop

 

[inbetween]

I am doing my bit in many ways pal , i cant afford the new type boilers or an electric car , my point was the burden on us is going to push most people into debt , whilst china and india keep using coal it will matter not one jot , they played a blinder at this talking shop

The only reality for us is we need to not only diversify from oil but we need to diversify from foreign/Chinese made products to force countries like China to halt their growth and reduce emissions but it's going to hurt.

I did read a good idea from someone who said we should all get credits to use to buy stuff based upon how emissive it is. For example you get X number of credits to buy meat alongside the amount you have to pay. If you spend your credits then you can't buy any more meat for the week.

Can you imagine this being imposed on people though? We'd all soon change our tune on climate change that's for sure.... We can't even get people to wear masks to stop a virus that kills people.

 

[mancity1]

Will it still be there?

Yep. , just hope they don't have cop 127 on the moon but then we both will be looking down it and laughing hopefully not in the company of Boris the marketer.