Coronavirus (2021) thread

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leruzin said:
Is it true that if your NHS app tells you to self isolate then it’s only advisory ( not law ) to isolate . I can only find the Grant Shapps news article but can’t see anything official that backs this up . Thanks
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Just turn it off like the vast majority have now done.
 
Cases do matter (although less so that deaths and hospitalisations).

Btw I had a first hand glance of the economic impact yesterday, albeit it in a minor way. I was due to be working at a house but that was kiboshed because the occupants have Covid.
 
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Del_Bosque said:
Looking at those Netherlands figures is getting me very nervous. Far more than any stats we’ve seen over here.

think there needs to be some serious incentive for under 35’s to vaccinate at a much higher rate than they are.

Tax cuts or tax rises depending on your vac status? Money off holidays for double vacc’d? Hotel quarantine after travel abroad for anyone offered a vaccine but refused it irrelevant of green or amber list?
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You can't go abroad any time soon if your not vaxed should be sufficient. Not having your club med sun, beer and sex should be enough of a threat for our young heddonists.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
You can't go abroad any time soon if your not vaxed should be sufficient. Not having your club med sun, beer and sex is enough of a threat for our young heddonists.
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Read this morning that only half of men aged 18-24 in the U.K. have come forward to be vaccinated, so I’m not sure whether a carrot or stick approach is required, or a combination of both.
 
Gabriel said:
Read this morning that only half of men aged 18-24 in the U.K. have come forward to be vaccinated, so I’m not sure whether a carrot or stick approach is required, or a combination of both.
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Carrot and Stick is required I think.
Actually, it's going to be a rights vs responsibilities slug fest going forward but there you go.
Perhaps vax passports to enter nightclubs are required? I was against it, but perhaps it's essential.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
You can't go abroad any time soon if your not vaxed should be sufficient. Not having your club med sun, beer and sex is enough of a threat for our young heddonists.
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Given in the UK at the last count 76% had passports which still leaves 24% that don't care about international travel
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Only 1% of Brits have dual nationality

Alternative residency and citizenship acquisition experts Astons has revealed that just 1% of British residents are estimated to hold dual nationality despite a rush spurred by Brexit. The firm assessed data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) on the type of passport held by UK...
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AlgarveBlu said:
nightmare when it happens to your kids even though the stats tell you to be cool you can't help going into the paranoid parent zone - my lads have had 5 tests in the last two weeks due to close contacts - reminded me of staring at those pregnancy test kits back in the day either with eager anticipation or dread...

Sure your lad will be fine especially with the first jab a month ago as the stats on that are still very good against hospitalisation etc after 1
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Fingers crossed. Just found out one of the daughters classmates has it too so that’s another 10 day isolation and me having to work at home. That’s twice in a month now!
 
Summerbuzz said:
I think it's unlikely we'd see the same explosion. I get the impression many of our young people have already caught it.
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From the graun:


Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the UK’s National Statistician has told Sky News that about nine in ten people in England and Wales have antibodies against coronavirus, up from two in ten in January.

The group with the lowest at around about 60%, is those age of 15 to 24, he said

No idea what the equivalent NL figures are, but that 40% susceptible, plus the fact that a fair slice of the 60% will be single vaxxed which is much less protective, suggests there is plenty of shoe for a further surge here yet.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the graun:


Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the UK’s National Statistician has told Sky News that about nine in ten people in England and Wales have antibodies against coronavirus, up from two in ten in January.

The group with the lowest at around about 60%, is those age of 15 to 24, he said

No idea what the equivalent NL figures are, but that 40% susceptible, plus the fact that a fair slice of the 60% will be single vaxxed which is much less protective, suggests there is plenty of shoe for a further surge here yet.
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And in Manchester 15% of 18-24 are fully vaxed and less than 50% of them have a 1st jab.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the graun:


Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the UK’s National Statistician has told Sky News that about nine in ten people in England and Wales have antibodies against coronavirus, up from two in ten in January.

The group with the lowest at around about 60%, is those age of 15 to 24, he said

No idea what the equivalent NL figures are, but that 40% susceptible, plus the fact that a fair slice of the 60% will be single vaxxed which is much less protective, suggests there is plenty of shoe for a further surge here yet.
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This is probably too simplistic thinking here but does this mean that at some point case numbers are going to, in effect, hit a wall and just fall like a stone? Rather than the slow decrease we usually see?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
From the graun:


Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the UK’s National Statistician has told Sky News that about nine in ten people in England and Wales have antibodies against coronavirus, up from two in ten in January.

The group with the lowest at around about 60%, is those age of 15 to 24, he said

No idea what the equivalent NL figures are, but that 40% susceptible, plus the fact that a fair slice of the 60% will be single vaxxed which is much less protective, suggests there is plenty of shoe for a further surge here yet.
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Figures in the Netherlands appear much lower, though that’s naturally changing by the day.

https://www.rivm.nl/en/covid-19-vaccination/figures-vaccination-programme
 
Bluemoon dan said:
This is probably too simplistic thinking here but does this mean that at some point case numbers are going to, in effect, hit a wall and just fall like a stone? Rather than the slow decrease we usually see?
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Not if its driven by natural infection, I don't think so, though if we continue to vaccinate and particularly the 12-17yo, then that could drive a faster fall, as the proportion of susceptible people falls faster than it would through infection alone.

But it's really complicated because people's behaviour may change and become more risky as they perceive the thread to be falling, which then flattens the fall.
 
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Summerbuzz said:
There's loads of urban local authority areas where less than 50% of adults have one jab, never mind two.


Scroll in (give it a minute to get all the data), and you'll see what I mean.

I really don't know what to say about it. The young haven't had a lot of opportunity compared to the rest of us, but some of these people will be unarsed, and some too busy in low paid jobs.
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Yeah but urban areas had up to 25% antibodies mainly in youth groups from previous waves.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Thanks - any idea what those are as %?

The antibodies figure includes infected as well as vaccinated.
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The Netherlands is the most vaccinated country in Europe outside the UK (ignoring very small nations)
1st jab / 2nd jab
UK = 51% / 17% = 68% of total population
NED = 39% / 26% = 65% of total population
I breifly looked for % of pop with antibodies for comparison with the UK (90%) but couldn't find it. It will be out there somewhere.
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Healdplace said:
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Total cases 2025 - DOWN 692 on Yesterday - from NW FALL of1729

A bit under the expected par (42%) of 723.


Wk to wk UP 322 when the NW ROSE by 761 . More or less the expected par of 319.



BOROUGH / CASES TODAY / V YESTERDAY / V LAST WEEK



BOLTON 150 / DOWN 52 / UP 25

BURY 128 / LEVEL / UP 29

MANCHESTER 435 / DOWN 64 / UP 77

OLDHAM 196 / DOWN 103 / UP 34

ROCHDALE 203 / DOWN 63 / UP 64

SALFORD 211 / DOWN 57 / UP 34

STOCKPORT 175 / DOWN 35 / UP 52

TAMESIDE 121 / DOWN 116 / DOWN 15

TRAFFORD 161 / DOWN 93 / UP 25

WIGAN 245 / DOWN 109 / DOWN 3



Everyone bar Bury down on the day and they were level.

Tameside, Oldham and Wigan huge daily falls and also a small week to week fall. The rest up. Manchester, Rochdale and Stockport by the most.

Stockport's numbers much closer relative to Trafford and this time extended by only another 7 their lead over Trafford for best overall Pop Score.
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Tameside hospital reopened a dedicated Covid ward about 3/4 weeks ago due to increasing admissions, good to hear, hopefully we have peaked.
 
Summerbuzz said:
There's loads of urban local authority areas where less than 50% of adults have one jab, never mind two.


Scroll in (give it a minute to get all the data), and you'll see what I mean.

I really don't know what to say about it. The young haven't had a lot of opportunity compared to the rest of us, but some of these people will be unarsed, and some too busy in low paid jobs.
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It seems to me that there will always be an underclass who refuse to be educated or help themselves or others.
 
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