Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

101 England hospital deaths by region:

26 North West, 23 London, 17 North East & Yorkshire, 15 Midlands, 12 South East, 6 South West & 2 East

8 in Kings London the most,7 in North Lincs and 5 in Leicester next.

In North West spread evenly with 5 Pennine Acute and 3 each in Blackpool and Wigan. Everyone else just 1s and 2s.

By age:

20 - 39 (1) 1.0%

40 - 59 (10) 9 %

60 - 79 (48) 48%

80 PLUS (42) 42%

One of the lowest 80 Plus numbers

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Nuance again...

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths wk to wk:

474 / 112 NW / 24%

372 / 58 NW / 16% (down 22 % wk to wk)

279 / 57 NW / 20% (down 25% wk to wk)

164 / 35 NW / 21% (down 41% wk to wk)

101 / 25 NW / 26% (down 39% wk to wk) TODAY

The percentage of the NW caused by the weekend delay has been going up. But the week to week fall in cases has accelerated.

 

[Healdplace]

Nuance again...

So they have gone from discovering a reason why AZ should only be given to under 65s - as it was not safe for the older age group - to one where it is only possibly safe FOR over 65s and might be dangerous to under 65s?

If I read that right.

The data certainly needs assessing properly. That I can see.

Is there any check on this rare type of clot post vaccination in the UK being made do we know?

The fact this mostly impacts women makes me ponder any connection with birth control / or HRT - known to raise this threat but still taken by millions, of course - though that would tend only to be an issue post menopause and this seems to impact younger women.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Why?

Because to state "at present there is no indication that the vaccination has caused these conditions" I.e. its safe! But to then say you are evaluating its safety is what is ridiculous.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Err, people unnecessarily contracting COVID for a few days?

And lets not forget they have already said there is no link and it is therefore safe!

Is this not just political shenanigans of the highest order ! ?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

So they have gone from discovering a reason why AZ should only be given to under 65s - as it was not safe for the older age group - to one where it is only possibly safe FOR over 65s and might be dangerous to under 65s?

If I read that right.

The data certainly needs assessing properly. That I can see.

Is there any check on this rare type of clot post vaccination in the UK being made do we know?

I think you can be *very* sure that every agency is combing through all of their data with a fine tooth comb right now.

And yes, the irony of the potential age flip-flop struck me too.

*If* the effect is real, of course, and failing a full understanding of the mechanism, there is every possibility that it applies to either all the other vaccines (same fundamental mechanism - spike protein response) or at least all other viral vector vaccines (J&J, Sputnik, Sinovac too IIRC) which are very similarl. Indeed, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that AZ is better or worse than average of the class.

It still strikes me as very odd that if the effect is detectable at all it hasn't been seen in the UK. Purely on that basis I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be insignificant or nonexistent. We'll see.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

And lets not forget they have already said there is no link and it is therefore safe!

Is this not just political shenanigans of the highest order ! ?

An exercise in saving face, at the expense of lives.

 

[Healdplace]

Total deaths today with out of hospital England to come (often high on Tuesday) is 110.
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Wk to wk: 560 v 437 v 315 v 188 v 110 Today

 

[KS55]

I think you can be *very* sure that every agency is combing through all of their data with a fine tooth comb right now.

And yes, the irony of the potential age flip-flop struck me too.

*If* the effect is real, of course, and failing a full understanding of the mechanism, there is every possibility that it applies to either all the other vaccines (same fundamental mechanism - spike protein response) or at least all other viral vector vaccines (J&J, Sputnik, Sinovac too IIRC) which are very similarl. Indeed, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that AZ is better or worse than average of the class.

It still strikes me as very odd that if the effect is detectable at all it hasn't been seen in the UK. Purely on that basis I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be insignificant or nonexistent. We'll see.

Astra Zeneca's numbers suggest that, even if all clots are ascribed to the jab, the chances of getting a clot from the jab are 0.00005%. Makes the whole shenanigans look rediculous.