Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Total cases for the three nations today 903.


Wk to wk: 1389 v 1197 v 861 v 872 v 903

The plateau in cases is evident but not rising much at all happily

 

[roubaixtuesday]

An exercise in saving face, at the expense of lives.

From the German agency Q&A translation posted above



You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Astra Zeneca's numbers suggest that, even if all clots are ascribed to the jab, the chances of getting a clot from the jab are 0.00005%. Makes the whole shenanigans look rediculous.

The suspension was prompted by further reports beyond that, and all of an otherwise rare condition.

(again, I'm not saying it was the right decision, but it's not arbitrary or without any justification)

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Total deaths for the three nations today 903.


Wk to wk: 1389 v 1197 v 861 v 872 v 903

The plateau in cases is evident but not rising much at all happily

I think you mean cases! Had me going there haha

 

[KS55]

From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.

If there 1.4 cases per 1m recipients, that is a chance of 0.00014%.
I'll take that chance on May 1, booked in for jab2.
The rags are more likely to win the title this year and I won't be betting on them!
EDIT. Sorry looked up the normal figure, the %age above should be: 0.00042 to 0.00056.

 

[blueparrot]

Because to state "at present there is no indication that the vaccination has caused these conditions" I.e. its safe! But to then say you are evaluating its safety is what is ridiculous.

Not really, an issue has been flagged, everyone the UK included thinks it won’t be a problem, everyone including the UK are looking into it to make sure. Some countries have decided to suspend use while they check, some countries including the UK have decided it isn’t a big enough issue on balance to suspend use while they check.
There is nothing inconsistent, or sinister about any of those things, just different assesment of risk versus the benefit of continued use.
At some point we will all reach the same conclusion on any correlation or not between the vaccine and possible side effect, then decide how to mitigate if any link found.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.

Well someone has clearly got their figures wrong. Its been posted on here several times that the incidences of these clots are less than what you would expect. not higher? Also have they published figures for the Pfiezer vaccine. These patients have also had clots.

 

[twosips]

From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.

Is it not very possible that our lifestyles during lockdown are making blood clots etc more likely? Has there even been a more sedentary populace than the one we currently have?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

From the German agency Q&A translation posted above

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You may not agree with the decision, but it appears to be clearly motivated by a possibility of a small number of fatalities associated with the vaccine.

I really don't think that counts as "face saving" or "shenanigans" as another poster put it.

It doesn't necessarily mean suspension was the best way to handle this either, of course, given that we're in a pandemic.

But the head of the Italian medicines agency said it was a political decision?

You do keep ignoring this simple fact.

 

[KS55]

Well someone has clearly got their figures wrong. Its been posted on here several times that the incidences of these clots are less than what you would expect. not higher? Also have they published figures for the Pfiezer vaccine. These patients have also had clots.

Its the incidence of a rare type of clot that is the issue, not the overall number. Germany reckon the rare clot occurs post vaccination at 3 times its normal rate. Still tiny, tho'.
There must be a joke about rare clots in there.