Coronavirus (2021) thread

[St.Pauli support]

I await the Female contraceptive pill being banned in the EU. It is more dangerous than the OA-Z vaccine - if the CVST effect is causal of course.
Then they will have to ban cars too. The raw chance of dying in a car crash is 1/20,000 every year.

You are miles better than that.

The CVST risk linked to contraceptive pill is known since decades.
AZ risk is brand new and we still have to learn a lot, and what a good scientist does is facing the problem in detail and transparency (in free countries, like UK) and then finding the best solution.

IF there is a risk, why not give AZ to people with a much lower CVST risk like older age group or younger men, while giving other covid vaccines to younger women? Just an idea.

Btw, after AZ being opened up to the 60+ we have seen a RUN only in North-Rhine Westphalia yesterday with 200k+ new AZ vaccination dates within 1o hours with the website crashing due 25m hits...
Many people are aware of a positive AZ risk profile and eager to get jabbed. Communication is key.

Hiding problems under the carpet is not what science should do.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths by region:

1 East, 7 London, 6 Midlands, 1 NE & Yorkshire, 0 North West, 0 South East, 0 South West.

Only 4 and 2 other than 1s The 4 and 2 in Birmingham and London.

 

[Healdplace]

Numbers from England and Scotland are all we get today remember.

Nothing coming from Wales or N Ireland. Double data then from both tomorrow.

No hospital data either from England at weekends or Bank Holidays as Covid has now been downgraded in emergency status and government no longer require this data 7 days a week / 365 days a year.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You are miles better than that.

The CVST risk linked to contraceptive pill is known since decades.
AZ risk is brand new and we still have to learn a lot, and what a good scientist does is facing the problem in detail and transparency (in free countries, like UK) and then finding the best solution.

IF there is a risk, why not give AZ to people with a much lower CVST risk like older age group or younger men, while giving other covid vaccines to younger women? Just an idea.

Btw, after AZ being opened up to the 60+ we have seen a RUN only in North-Rhine Westphalia yesterday with 200k+ new AZ vaccination dates within 1o hours with the website crashing due 25m hits...
Many people are aware of a positive AZ risk profile and eager to get jabbed. Communication is key.

Hiding problems under the carpet is not what science should do.

he is not suggesting they should he is just pointing out that other things carry risks as well so we have a sense of perspective.

the idea that any medicine has no side effects potentially is nonsense as JVT demonstrated when he read out the potential side effects of paracetamol at a press conference.

the trouble is society is sooo focused solely on Covid we have lost perspective .

there is a risk in most things, including taking other regular OTC medicines . There are people dying of lots of things everyday although it would seem over that last year you would think that all people die of is Covid .

science should not hide anything under the carpet it should be transparent but when demonstrating the risk with the vaccine they should put that in context of other risks which we do everyday and don’t even think about. Like the female pill.

it also helps people put that risk in context if they have something to compare it to and so hopefully they feel more comfortable taking the vaccine As the risk is comparable with many other risks they take every Single day and they don’t even give it a second thought.

 

[Healdplace]

So total deaths today are the 15 from England hospitals. It will likely stay at that as all those were in the past 10 days or so. 13 of them in the past 5 days.

Wk to wk:- 283 v 178 v 111 v 61 v 42 v 25 v 15 (+) TODAY (+ NO DEATH DATA FROM N Ireland and Wales - there were 2 last week)


Cases from Scotland only - with England still to come - are 343

For some context last week Sunday had 171 (Wales) and 116 (N Ireland) so likely 150/200 or so would be added today at an estimate.

There were 179 for these two countries yesterday v 339 on the Saturday before. So it might have been lower. Probably not more.

With that big caveat cases wk to wk:-

1426 v 955 v 680 v 821 v 653 v 781 v 709 v 343 (+) TODAY

 

[BlueAnorak]

You are miles better than that.

The CVST risk linked to contraceptive pill is known since decades.
AZ risk is brand new and we still have to learn a lot, and what a good scientist does is facing the problem in detail and transparency (in free countries, like UK) and then finding the best solution.

IF there is a risk, why not give AZ to people with a much lower CVST risk like older age group or younger men, while giving other covid vaccines to younger women? Just an idea.

Btw, after AZ being opened up to the 60+ we have seen a RUN only in North-Rhine Westphalia yesterday with 200k+ new AZ vaccination dates within 1o hours with the website crashing due 25m hits...
Many people are aware of a positive AZ risk profile and eager to get jabbed. Communication is key.

Hiding problems under the carpet is not what science should do.

No the problem is looking at the risk of Vaccine vs Covid-19 and making an informed decision.
The risk decision that has been made, while being ultra cautious, WILL reduce vaccine take up in the EU dramatically resulting in many, many more deaths than need to happen.
In short the risk calculation being used is bonkers.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They have. Which is why they are rightly giving it to the older population but not the younger. THAT is an arguable but perfectly reasonable step to take given the data showing the much greater incidence of clots in the under 40s -especially in young women.

I think even that is questionable, er i.e. stupid. 9 clot deaths in Germany in the 2.7m people vaccinated. vs a COVID death rate in Germany of 923 per million. Of course the COVID death rate in younger women is very low, but even so.

And the rest of your points are very valid. EVEN IF pausing vaccinations in younger women made sense, the messaging and the way it's made people nervous and reluctant to get vaccinated is going to cost thousands of lives. It's a right screw up.

 

[BlueAnorak]

he is not suggesting they should he is just pointing out that other things carry risks as well so we have a sense of perspective.

the idea that any medicine has no side effects potentially is nonsense as JVT demonstrated when he read out the potential side effects of paracetamol at a press conference.

the trouble is society is sooo focused solely on Covid we have lost perspective .

there is a risk in most things, including taking other regular OTC medicines . There are people dying of lots of things everyday although it would seem over that last year you would think that all people die of is Covid .

science should not hide anything under the carpet it should be transparent but when demonstrating the risk with the vaccine they should put that in context of other risks which we do everyday and don’t even think about. Like the female pill.

it also helps people put that risk in context if they have something to compare it to and so hopefully they feel more comfortable taking the vaccine As the risk is comparable with many other risks they take every Single day and they don’t even give it a second thought.

Totally agree.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think even that is questionable, er i.e. stupid. 9 clot deaths in Germany in the 2.7m people vaccinated. vs a COVID death rate in Germany of 923 per million. Of course the COVID death rate in younger women is very low, but even so.

And the rest of your points are very valid. EVEN IF pausing vaccinations in younger women made sense, the messaging and the way it's made people nervous and reluctant to get vaccinated is going to cost thousands of lives. It's a right screw up.

Totally agree with this too.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I see France's test system was totally overwhelmed on Friday with so many mistakes being made they couldn't submit a valid new case count yesterday from 400,000 tests. So they didn't bother.