Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BlueHammer85]

More than half of the ICU patients in Brazil are under 40

 

[ayrshire_blue]

So why did he say that lockdowns are the reason death rates and hospitalisations are only falling due to lockdown and not vaccines?
Then he tells us that cases, hospitalisations and deaths are bound to go up and you think he’s not laying the foundations for another lockdown?
Fair enough, if that’s what you think, let’s just hope you’re right.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266

"And so, yes of course the vaccination programme has helped, but the bulk of the work in reducing the disease has been done by the lockdown."

Makes absolute sense. The lockdown has been strict and has given us time to get the vaccination programme up and running, which we've managed to do to a high standard. Numbers started falling in the matter of weeks after the lockdown, you don't think that was vaccines magically taking effect already by that point, do you?

In the future, the hope and expectation is that the vaccines will do their job and prevent the necessity for any further lockdowns. It takes time for a significant proportion of the population to be inoculated and the requirement for lockdown to no longer exist.

If there are further lockdowns in future, that will be the result of the virus developing in a way that everyone hopes it doesn't. He can't say for absolute certainty that there will be no further lockdowns of any sort, it would be a ludicrous suggestion to make when globally the situation is worsening and the potential is there for the virus to evolve in the manner that they sometimes do.

I'm absolutely no fan of the government, but those comments by the PM are fair and accurate and also exercise the need for caution. I couldn't ask for any different.

 

[grunge]

More than half of the ICU patients in Brazil are under 40

Pretty much the same as we had in the UK in the last wave from what I read but I think ours was under 50 rather than 40.

Edit: cant find the article I read, lost in the sea of noise. but the UK site does have some info when you go into region break down.

For London ( its the one that showed 1st )

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[Marvin]

"And so, yes of course the vaccination programme has helped, but the bulk of the work in reducing the disease has been done by the lockdown."

Makes absolute sense. The lockdown has been strict and has given us time to get the vaccination programme up and running, which we've managed to do to a high standard. Numbers started falling in the matter of weeks after the lockdown, you don't think that was vaccines magically taking effect already by that point, do you?

In the future, the hope and expectation is that the vaccines will do their job and prevent the necessity for any further lockdowns. It takes time for a significant proportion of the population to be inoculated and the requirement for lockdown to no longer exist.

If there are further lockdowns in future, that will be the result of the virus developing in a way that everyone hopes it doesn't. He can't say for absolute certainty that there will be no further lockdowns of any sort, it would be a ludicrous suggestion to make when globally the situation is worsening and the potential is there for the virus to evolve in the manner that they sometimes do.

I'm absolutely no fan of the government, but those comments by the PM are fair and accurate and also exercise the need for caution. I couldn't ask for any different.

I saw this quote this morning and liked it. This is a simple and understandable message and should be the main public health message of the moment.

From Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI)...

“We know from studies that none of the vaccines are as effective against the South African variant though the vaccines still prevent against severe disease and death even with the South African variant. The problem is, they may not protect against infection which allows infection to transmit, and if we allow transmission through the community in large numbers with high infection rates then we could see other variants emerging.”

So when our health correspondents tell us that we are breaking the link between infection and serious illness we should remember that there is more to it than that. We need to be killing this epidemic off and bringing it to an end in the Autumn with a final variant booster jab and we should be very conscious to keep a lid on this until then.

 

[Healdplace]

Pretty much the same as we had in the UK in the last wave from what I read.

Given that 62% of those testing positive are under 40 in the UK (well Northern Ireland is the data on this I posted the other day) but under 8% of those over 60 following the vaccinations and lockdown this is a pattern to be expected unfortunately. The virus infects those who either are naturally most at risk or put themselves at risk by mixing - and even if the younger are at lower risk of serious consequences if they do get Covid they are the ones still vulnerable and they will be targeted. And a percentage will still sadly get very sick.

 

[shemnel]

Pretty much the same as we had in the UK in the last wave from what I read but I think ours was under 50 rather than 40.

median age in UK ICUs was ~60 in both waves.

 

[grunge]

median age in UK ICUs was ~60 in both waves.

Do you have any links to info please. Not doubting, just for reference.

Maybe the stats I read were for hospitalisations rather than ICU. the graph I posted above shows it a bit but the age groups are too large ( 18-64 is a huge range ).

 

[kunaguero10]

So why did he say that lockdowns are the reason death rates and hospitalisations are only falling due to lockdown and not vaccines?
Then he tells us that cases, hospitalisations and deaths are bound to go up and you think he’s not laying the foundations for another lockdown?
Fair enough, if that’s what you think, let’s just hope you’re right.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266

He is stating facts - lockdown from start of January got the deaths and cases down. Vaccines should keep them (particularly deaths) down

 

[cyberblue]

"And so, yes of course the vaccination programme has helped, but the bulk of the work in reducing the disease has been done by the lockdown."

Makes absolute sense. The lockdown has been strict and has given us time to get the vaccination programme up and running, which we've managed to do to a high standard. Numbers started falling in the matter of weeks after the lockdown, you don't think that was vaccines magically taking effect already by that point, do you?

In the future, the hope and expectation is that the vaccines will do their job and prevent the necessity for any further lockdowns. It takes time for a significant proportion of the population to be inoculated and the requirement for lockdown to no longer exist.

If there are further lockdowns in future, that will be the result of the virus developing in a way that everyone hopes it doesn't. He can't say for absolute certainty that there will be no further lockdowns of any sort, it would be a ludicrous suggestion to make when globally the situation is worsening and the potential is there for the virus to evolve in the manner that they sometimes do.

I'm absolutely no fan of the government, but those comments by the PM are fair and accurate and also exercise the need for caution. I couldn't ask for any different.

So what is the point of having the vaccine if another lockdown is on the cards ?

 

[shemnel]

Do you have any links to info please. Not doubting, just for reference.

sure, i have followed the ICNARC reports for some months, been really useful. (ICU only).

ICNARC – Reports

ICNARC - Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre. Quality data for quality care.

www.icnarc.org

Covid-19 Report at the top. These are weekly but the latest is March 26 for some reason, maybe easter. The info i gave you comes from table 1

edit: yes, you may be referring to hospitalisations, im not sure on that but could derive it from stats later on today