Coronavirus (2021) thread

Healdplace

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158 hospital admissions and 50 of them in the North West. Both the highest since early April and late March respectively.

England patients fall though by 22 to 884. But NW rises by 1 to 272. Which is OK considering. Though up 70 week to week. Much less so.

Unfortunately ventilators in NW rise again to 49. Though up 19 week to week. Again not good news.
 
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HolisticJim

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The thing is unless something is done then the numbers will keep going up.

I've had my first jab, not my second.
I hope and pray the vaccine is effective as they think it is.

Should have closed all the borders whilst the chance was there.
 

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Yes I get all that you’re not trying to convince me. But anecdotes of isolated incidents are unlikely to fundamentally change the risk perception against the backdrop of Covid (generally) being a disease of the old and vulnerable. I guess using my drugs comparison above, it’s the same as every time there is a devastated parent on the news due to an overdose or a bad reaction urging people to be careful, it doesn’t really change anything.

Anyway this is just cluttering up the thread I hope you get the point and I still think people should get jabbed because it’s the right thing to do and that miniscule rare threats (side effects or covid itself) should not really come into it.
Respectfully, the larger issue is that the longer it takes to stop the spread of this disease, the greater the number of mutations (variants) and the significantly greater chance the whole cadre of current vaccines become useless.

The idea is vaccinate to not only avoid, but curtail spread time yo mutate ACROSS THE GLOBE.

We have already seen multiple variants become more virulent spreaders, and it only take one unpredictable mutation to render the whole process to date as futile.

Herd immunity us only good if the EVERY LICAL HERD reaches that point!

We have a problem here in the Stares, because of Trump and the conspiracy/anti-vac crowd. The Northern Blue States are doing quite well and are starting to open cautiously, while the two most populous Southern States (Texas and Florida) have thrown their doors open snd said, “Fuck it! Business profile Ruth us worth a few deaths!” and the entire Southern tier of the country is far behind in the vaccination stats!

It only takes a variant to mutate in one Southern Stare and the next thing you know it’s everywhere in the USA and we all just hope the vaccine still works on it!
 

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158 hospital admissions and 50 of them in the North West. Both the highest since early April and late March respectively.

England patients fall though by 22 to 884. But NW rises by 1 to 272. Which is OK considering.

Unfortunately ventilators in NW rise again to 49.
These all seem like staggeringly LOW NUMBERS given the population you’re talking about.
 

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These all seem like staggeringly LOW NUMBERS given the population you’re talking about.

They are but that's how the virus started here, very low then accelerated. Hopefully although they will rise we hope the vaccinations will mean not so much now, bit it's in the balance.
 

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Does anyone know about the walk in vaccination centres for second jabs? I remember reading a few days ago a few restrictions on who could use them but now i can't find the info. I think i remember reading that if you booked the first dose via your doctor that you can't access the second dose at one of the walk in places. Can anyone point me to the correct info - my google skills are failing me
 

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Couple of fit lads on here my age - early 40s - have ended up severely debilitated. This is a nasty little disease. Bloodclots. Inflammatory overloads. Neurological damage.

Most don't suffer heavily. But plenty do, and there's millions with symptoms over a month later. Some who didn't even need hospital may never be the same.

Sure, you are confident you won't die. Even confident no-one you know ended up in hospital. But nah, you don't want to take your chances with this one. You really don't. Crazy anyone thinks otherwise.

I mean, I've had plenty of bugs. And my health wasn't perfect. COVID, when I had it, wasn't anything like as unpleasant as gastro enterisis. Nowhere near. Not anywhere near glandular, which I had as a kid. I mean, I was up and about. Not great, but... I hate colds. I've had worse times with unidentified colds. Much worse than the week or two of fatigue and feeling rubbish. But colds come and colds go.

What I've never had was a cold or flu - or anything - that left me with months of ulcers, skin problems, unstable temperature, racing heart, months later. Distinctive headaches. Sore throat and a callous in my nose that ached and dripped for months. I still get red eyes. Feel my lungs burning up.. Stomach pains. A year later. A year!

Yes, I'm pissed off that my AZ arm still aches very gently every so often. Yes, I would have preferred one of the other Jabs. But it's a small price to pay. I really don't fancy putting my body through another round of the real thing.
Hang in there, mate!

I had the J&J and it knocked me on my arse for a few days, such that I couldn’t go to work. But, just made me feel like it was doing ITS business, rather than letting me get who knows how sick from the real thing!
 

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They are but that's how the virus started here, very low then accelerated. Hopefully although they will rise we hope the vaccinations will mean not so much now, bit it's in the balance.
Yep, it always starts slow and accelerates, but we know do much more about treatments now, and the population is well on the way to herd immunity with vaccines and cases combined.

Are there still people who CANNOT get the vaccine?
 

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These all seem like staggeringly LOW NUMBERS given the population you’re talking about.
They are because the vaccinations - which we are well ahead on - with pretty much all the most vulnerable doyble jabbed - have entirely changed the dynamics.

The wave in January saw only about 4 or 5 times as many cases as now but 100 times as many deaths and 30 times as many people in hospital and 30 times as many on ventilators.

This is because the vaccines have worked very well indeed. And almost no (well it is under 1 in 20) of todays cases are over 60 and 4 out of 5 are young who hardly ever get very sick.

So this is more a cases pandemic now than a heath care crisis. If numbers do not go out of control whilst w finish the vaccinations in next couple of months we SHOULD be fine.

We would be fully opening up now were it not for this highly infectious new variant. But happily it came late enough we had got well into the vaccination programme first. And we might just about get away with it.
 

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They are because the vaccinations - which we are well ahead on - with pretty much all the most vulnerable doyble jabbed - have entirely changed the dynamics.

The wave in January saw only about 4 or 5 times as many cases as now but 100 times as many deaths and 20 times as many people in hospital and 30 times as many on ventilators.

This is because the vaccines have worked very well indeed. And almost no (well it is under 1 in 20) of todays cases are over 60 and 4 out of 5 are young who hardly ever get very sick.

So this is more a cases pandemic now than a heath care crisis. If numbers do not go out of control whilst w finish the vaccinations in next couple of months we SHOULD be fine.

We would be fully opening up no were it not for this highly infectious new variant. But happily it came late enough we had got well into the vaccination programme first.
All sounds positive and sound.

Appears some people want numbers to be zero before anything good can happen, but we know that is impossible. The much bigger imperative is that IF you get it:

A) It is not in numbers that overwhelm the Medical System,

B) Doesn't lead to long term hospitalization,

C) Doesn’t lead to death!

(C) is the paramount concern because no vaccine can be 100% effective because of the variants.

Therein lies the concern in the States. We have not seen widespread cases of any of the variants, especially Delta, and Stares are starting to offer incentives to get vaccinated.

Ohio is doing a $1,000,000 vaccine lottery for adults and a 4 year College Scholarship for anyone under 18 for vaccine recipients. They just awarded the second prizes this week!

Other states are trying similar incentives, although Ohio’s “Who wants to be a Millionaire” has been the most successful so far!
 

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