Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Manc in London]

Indeed. I’d bet there’d be a correlation we’d all recognise if ever a graph was created that had common sense up the y axis and people moaning about vaccines and passports along the x axis.

A negative correlation at around '1' :)

 

[blueparrot]

Yes and if you don’t understand why you’ve not been paying attention.

those “vulnerable” make up most of the vacinated population therefore most of the hospital admissions will be from the vacinated population.

just more evidence that:
- the most vulnerable are most likely to die/require treatment
- vaccination doesn’t stop you getting it (vaccine passport pointless)
- not everyone needs a vaccine

Doesn’t mean that at all. It’s simply maths.

 

[Zubrman]

Doesn’t mean that at all. It’s simply maths.

Or simply math.

Or simply @mat.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Who cares?
An unvaccinated 18-30 infects an unvaccinated 30+ person. That’s their look out.

Not if you need cancer treatment and they're in your hospital bed.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Dont know but it could be, however bit misleading, as most older people are vaccinated so if 90% of people vulnerable have had the vaccine, for a small number it won’t work and there is as much chance a few of those will end up in hospital as well as unvaccinated.
So if there are 6 people vaccinated it’s a very smal %age of the vaccinated population, while 4 un vaccinated is a larger % age of the unvaccinated population
Much more long winded than I intended not sure it makes sense, it does in my head.

Say there are 100 people in the population, 90 vaccinated, 10 not vaccinated. Say 10 people are in hospital, 6 vaccinated and 4 unvaccinated. Chance of vaccinated person in hospital is 6 / 90 = 6.67%. Chance of unvaccinated in hospital = 4 / 10 = 40%
40 / 6.67 = 6 = 6 times more likely unvaccinated in hospital.

 

[grunge]

Still their problem if someone they live with has given it them.

it’s utterly pathetic all this nonsense.
Not everyone needs to have it.

simplest way to put this. If everyone gets vaccinated before an immunity skipping variant appears we have a good chance to killing COVID outright. Properly consign it to the history books ala small pox.

by not vaccinating yourself you are directly contributing to the continuation of this virus.

 

[BobKowalski]

Did I hear correctly that 60% of people being admitted to hospital with covid in England have been fully vaccinated?

Yes. It (apparently) works like this. You have a 1000 people. 950 vaccinated, 50 unvaccinated. 15 end up in hospital. 10 from the first group, 5 from the second. So, out of the 15, 66% are vaccinated. But the proportions are approx 1% from the first group and 10% from the second.

Then you factor in age demographics, greater proportion of vaccinated people are from high risk groups etc.

It‘s a math thing and I’m just the messenger :)

 

[blueparrot]

Say there are 100 people in the population, 90 vaccinated, 10 not vaccinated. Say 10 people are in hospital, 6 vaccinated and 4 unvaccinated. Chance of vaccinated person in hospital is 6 / 90 = 6.67%. Chance of unvaccinated in hospital = 4 / 10 = 40%
40 / 6.67 = 6 = 6 times more likely unvaccinated in hospital.

Yes I saw that in my head, but should have thought written it like that instead of thinking it through while waffling. :)

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.



Wigan 810 / 561 / UP 249 Testing positive 12.1 %

Oldham 803 / 640 / UP 163 Testing positive 12.8%

Rochdale 704 / 619 / UP 85 Testing positive 12.6%

Salford 689 / 555 / UP 134 Testing positive 12.3%

Tameside 687 / / 484 / UP 203 Testing positive 10.7%

Stockport 605 / 424 / UP 181 Testing positive 9.6%

Bury 601 / 412 / UP 189 Testing positive 11.9%

Manchester 591 / 513 / UP 78 Testing positive 12.9%

Trafford 544 / 553 / UP 9 Testing positive 9.7%

Bolton 501 / 343 / UP 158 Testing positive 12.8%



Rochdale joined Oldham and Wigan went one worse and climbed into the 800s, Cannot recall the last time two GM boroughs there before. Wigan's bad few days has seen it top the tree again,

Even Bolton broke into the 500s and I have never known every GM borough 500 and up.

Bolton never topped 500 when Delta arrived in late Spring before it stared heading down But as you see with its highest wekly Pop rise of 158 Wigan - like all ten boroughs - is not going down now. They are all up.


Stockport far better like all in GM today up 'just' 68 - a normal score before last week - to 9581 - but Trafford better again up 60 - to reach 9715. So Stockport's lead falls again to 134.

Trafford had the lowest Pop score today in GM.

Trafford will overtake Stockport in a week or two if these numbers persist and by this time next week both will likely be on the verge of exiting the 9000s and leaving GM an all five figure county.

Just a matter of who gets their first.

Bolton up 64 to 12, 759

Manchester up 67 - now on 12, 932 . Will crash into the 13 K club as GMs first inhabitant possibly tomorrow or certainly Wednesday.

Rochdale up 68 - same as Stockport - onto 12, 625.

But Oldham up 97 - under 100 after a run of big ton ups - to reach 12, 819. Closing in on the highest overall Pop Score in GM and overtaking Bolton to go second behind Manchester. Who should now beat Odham into the 13K club but only by a day or so.

Salford like everyone much better up just 77 to go onto 12, 331.

Bury also up 77 to 11, 894

Tameside rose 82 up to 10, 690.

But Wigan - up 101 - were again the biggest riser today despite a huge fall - but did enough to still just make a ton up and reach 12, 105.

There are now 6 GM boroughs in the 12K club and Bury is a couple of days from making it seven.
at least Manchester will have ascended to the 13 K club.

 

[Meatbag]

That’s some blunder