Coronavirus (2021) thread

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GM boroughs weekly past 7 day case totals:

Bury 486, Rochdale 512, Oldham 687, Salford 697, Trafford 716, Bolton, 725, Tameside 778 , Wigan 933, Stockport 1046, Manchester 1307


At the right end of the table Bury now under 500 for first time in weeks. Though lots of good falls today saw every borough improve their numbers.

At the wrong end Wigan and Manchester had a big fall also. So despite Stockport having a fall too it was less than those two and is now closer than ever to beating Manchester in the weekly cases - something Stockport has never done. The gap was over 1000 a week or so ago. It is now just 261.
 
I posted that in here yesterday morning.



QUOTE (apologies to those who read it then).

It is pointless debating what will happen in 2 or 3 months as the reality is nobody knows where we will be in November or December as there are so many variables that can change that picture.

We can say numbers are likely to rise as it is Winter. Just as we can say they will fall in the Summer because it is not . But that was turned on its head by the arrival of the new variant in Scotland and the North West in late Spring and no predictions could have seen that other than as a possibility.

The media keep comparing now with this time last year and saying we are clearly worse. But the huge difference in the number of tests is not mentioned or the positivity level - just the raw case numbers.

Or indeed why numbers are high. As in kids who largely brush it off as a bit of a cold. Not as last year many of those tested were in need of serious health care.

They also say hospital numbers are well up now v last September but again that is meaningless as so much had changed in those 12 months. The real measure is the hospital numbers v cases reported that gives you a better picture.

On 14 Sep 2020 we had 2621 cases

Yesterday there were 26, 628 almost exactly TEN times as many.

Disaster looms if you follow the reporters. As those low cases rocketed days after mid September and kept on rising and rising for months. Though we started doing LOTS more tests too.

We did 1.028 MILLION tests yesterday. We did 213,000 a year ago. Not a minor difference.

So - yes - there are MORE cases now but not by anything like ten times as it might look. Because most of the ones that never bothered the NHS were simply not found and reported as we focused on finding the cases that WOULD bother the NHS. Unlike now when we try to find every case that exists.

The positivity level is about double not as it seems from the raw numbers. And in England it is actually even less as cases are lower pro rata there than the other nations.

The likely key reason is that the current variant is very infective, younger often unvaccinated people (as in under 20) are catching it more than any other age in all the data but not usually getting it bad enough to disrupt their lives other than a few days off school. Certainly not to drain the NHS as most Covid stats were doing last year pre vaccines.

There are 8349 in hospital today from those 26, 826 cases and 1061 on ventilators.

This day last year by chance was the one in which the patients number tipped over 1000 to 1066 - and it rose pretty well every single day after that up to the near 40,000 in January and did not fall back under 1000 again until 14 May and was only there for three weeks before it started going back up. So it was NOT seasonal. It was Delta that did that.

So there are 8000 patients from 26,000 cases now versus 1000 patients from 2600 last year.

That is another way to look at the same numbers and actually says we are doing BETTER now than a year ago. But that - of course - is not the story that sells.

Numbers are easy to manipulate to look like what you want them to say.

But the reality is many things are different now than September 2020 and the one that REALLY matters is none of the above. It is the impact of the vaccines on the length of stay in hospital - reduced to a few days on average not weeks - lowering the daily numbers. And lowering the deaths dramatically.

You cannot just use cases as an easy way to predict disaster. Not any more. Time the media starlets woke up to that new normal.

cheers @Healdplace

It’s hard to stay on top of all the figures - and the change from a day to a positive/negative is constant.
Like reading positive figures on here - then seeing on news Hospitals are under severe pressure due to Covid and N.Ireland/Scotland looking at military help.
Just trying to get exact picture but apparently that makes me a drip
 
GM WEEKLY POP SCORES

Remember low scores good - going down good - high scores bad - going up bad


BOROUGH // POP SCORE TODAY // POP SCORE LAST WEEK // UP OR DOWN BY LAST 7 DAYS

Also WAS 4 weeks ago (up/down in past month)



ROCHDALE 229 // 335 // DOWN 106 WAS 266 (down 37)

MANCHESTER 236 // 317 //DOWN 81 WAS 325 (down 89)

BOLTON 252 // 291 // DOWN 39 WAS 218 (up 34)

BURY 255 // 315 // DOWN 60 WAS 307 (down 52)

SALFORD 265 // 370 // DOWN 105 WAS 325 (down 60)

WIGAN 284 // 368 // DOWN 84 WAS 259 (up 25)

OLDHAM 289 // 349 // DOWN 60 WAS 317 (down 28)

TRAFFORD 301 // 364 // DOWN 63 WAS 357 (down 56 )

TAMESIDE 343 // 473 // DOWN 130 WAS 357 (down 14)

STOCKPORT 356 // 391 // DOWN 35 WAS 321 (up 35)


Rochdale's excellent run takes it to the top ahead of Manchester and Bolton.

Bury, Salford and Wigan are joined by Oldham also sub 300 now too as all ten GM boroughs heads down on the day and week to week. Obviously very good news.

Even Tameside and Stockport fell but Stockport had the worst day and is now further ahead at the wrong end of this table.

Likely to be just these two neighbour boroughs above 300 by tomorrow
 
cheers @Healdplace

It’s hard to stay on top of all the figures - and the change from a day to a positive/negative is constant.
Like reading positive figures on here - then seeing on news Hospitals are under severe pressure due to Covid and N.Ireland/Scotland looking at military help.
Just trying to get exact picture but apparently that makes me a drip
I know I post so much nobody can be expected to keep up or wade through it all.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing either.

Nobody knows - on here or the greatest scientist out there - where we will be at Christmas or next Spring. All we can do is follow where the key markers lead us and try to balance edging back to normality with not putting the NHS into a position it will not be able to handle.

We are all guessing why cases in England have not behaved like they did in Scotland when schools returned. And it may yet change.

But at the moment things are better than the worst case scenario and if they stay that way or edge up in a degree that will not become a problem we will all be happy.

The vaccines are a game changer. The numbers of young people who have caught Covid this Summer and recovered with antibodies is another The Euros may have not been won by England but may have done more for the English Covid outbreak which long term could be even better,

We will see.
 
So long covid isn’t a thing in kids, more good news.

More kids that had never had covid, had known symptoms of long covid, than those that actually had the virus.

 
I know I post so much nobody can be expected to keep up or wade through it all.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing either.

Nobody knows - on here or the greatest scientist out there - where we will be at Christmas or next Spring. All we can do is follow where the key markers lead us and try to balance edging back to normality with not putting the NHS into a position it will not be able to handle.

We are all guessing why cases in England have not behaved like they did in Scotland when schools returned. And it may yet change.

But at the moment things are better than the worst case scenario and if they stay that way or edge up in a degree that will not become a problem we will all be happy.

The vaccines are a game changer. The numbers of young people who have caught Covid this Summer and recovered with antibodies is another The Euros may have not been won by England but may have done more for the English Covid outbreak which long term could be even better,

We will see.

I guess the current hospital pressure is so many other factors other than Covid - backlog, staff issues etc
Chuck in forthcoming Winter and I guess they are panicking
 
Maybe their outlook was confused or it didn't agree with the majority,but its odd that you see anyone's death at the hands of this virus as an opportunity to gloat/point score.
It‘s further proof that “free thinking” is costing people their lives.

We’re in an age where absolutely everything is trying to disproved.

If these peoples’ deaths make anyone take the vaccine, then their deaths will have meant something.

I’m not going to mourn them as they made their choice and paid their price.

A bit like you not mourning obese/alcoholic/drug users deaths.
 
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