Coronavirus (2021) thread

[somapop]

I had mine cut last week, made me feel almost human again after 3 months!

Reported...

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

To put it in perspective, 40 cases out of 17,000,000, is 1 in every 425,000 people.

You might as well check everyone that had roast beef last weekend, and see how many have had a blood clot since, probably be a lot more than 1 in every 425,000.

not really, as with a full moon you can have roast beef plentifully. The vaccine is a one-off thus far and is the most unknown variable.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I don't get this though.

'Germany's health ministry announced on Monday that it would stop administering the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine with immediate effect, on the recommendation of the Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI), the country's authority on vaccines.

"After new reports of thromboses of the cerebral veins in connection with the vaccination in Germany and Europe, the PEI considers further investigations to be necessary," the ministry said, quoted by AFP news agency.

What connection? It's been stated several times by experts that there is no connection or sign of it in the results so far, i.e there's no higher rate of blood clots in people who have had the vaccine.

I find it bizarre myself, it's like countries are just following the others who have suspended it.

Regulatory agencies following up reports of adverse events.

The numbers reported are presumably prior to these latest events.

I don't have any concerns personally, and had the AZ jab on Friday. But I think it's entirely right that if the Austrian agency suddenly gets a number of reports then they follow it up. It's exactly what I'd expect. And I don't see any evidence whatever of political interference in the process.

In the UK, the MHRA has much more experience of the vaccine than anyone in the EU (probably 20 fold more at the moment) so it's not surprising they've taken a less risk averse stance.

Politicians in the UK have been jumping on this bandwagon. They, and any on the continent who may be doing likewise should STFU and wait for the outcome. Apparently EMA are promising that tomorrow, which is very good news if true.

Thanks for the response but I dont think it really answered my question. Why havent they banned the Pfizer vaccine if they have also encountered a similar ammount of blood clots in those patients.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Reported...

Errrr, errr, did it myself. Honest guvnor.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Thanks for the response but I dont think it really answered my question. Why havent they banned the Pfizer vaccine if they have also encountered a similar ammount of blood clots in those patients.

Seems like all these European countries are now wheeling out any adverse effect story they can lay their hands on.

 

[somapop]

It won't to any further if you PM me the deets of this 'mobile, outdoor hair salon service' you hint of.....

Errrr, errr, did it myself. Honest guvnor.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Why havent they banned the Pfizer vaccine if they have also encountered a similar ammount of blood clots in those patients.

I don't think we know that.

Figures quoted for the relative frequency I think predate these latest reports.

But even if the figures show that relativity, if there is a sudden spate of incidents (we don't know exactly what there has been, or at least I don't) then investigating and taking precautionary action is what you'd expect.

Now, I agree that the precautionary action seems way over the top, particularly in a pandemic situation, but I'm not a safety expert, I've not seen the data, and I'm not part of an agency culture which may generally be extremely risk averse.

So all I'm saying is that it makes much more sense to see this as a regulatory response to adverse events rather than a political response to a company or country.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Maybe they think that being seen to be ultra cautious and suspending and then confirming 'no risk found' will boost confidence going forward by drawing a line under rumbling concerns. Who knows what they're thinking to be fair but hopefully the EMA will make a statement to tigger the resumption of jabs or Europe is going to be in a right old mess

 

[Rammy Blue]

I don't think we know that.

Figures quoted for the relative frequency I think predate these latest reports.

But even if the figures show that relativity, if there is a sudden spate of incidents (we don't know exactly what there has been, or at least I don't) then investigating and taking precautionary action is what you'd expect.

Now, I agree that the precautionary action seems way over the top, particularly in a pandemic situation, but I'm not a safety expert, I've not seen the data, and I'm not part of an agency culture which may generally be extremely risk averse.

So all I'm saying is that it makes much more sense to see this as a regulatory response to adverse events rather than a political response to a company or country.

Apparently the EMA are making a statement tomorrow afternoon and these countries are suspending use pending said statement.

 

[cleavers]

I know, I keep replying to the trolls asap just in case anyone spots them before they get deleted. These people are bizarre.

It would be far more helpful if you actually hit the "report" link under the post so we would know instantly, rather than quote it, which causes more work to delete them.

 

[Healdplace]

Regional Summary:

Of the 471 increase today it was split across the UK.

In the SOUTH - London up just 4 to 388, East up 108 - to 404. South East up 170 (the most) to 481 and South West down 36 to a new low of just 185 - a number not seen in any region since last Summer.

So South total 1458 - Last Monday the total was 1552.

So down wk to wk by 94.


In the MIDLANDS - East up 80 to 492 and West down 4 to 481.

So Midlands total 972. Last Monday the total was 876.

So up wk to wk by 96



In the NORTH - North East up 64 to 301. Yorkshire up 50 to 825. And North West up 122 to 739.

So Yorkshire top scores in England again.

North total is 1865. Last Monday the total was 1620.

So up wk to wk by 245


Easy to see that south to North the virus is more of a problem the further north you go across thee regions.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Maybe they think that being seen to be ultra cautious and suspending and then confirming 'no risk found' will boost confidence going forward by drawing a line under rumbling concerns. Who knows what they're thinking to be fair but hopefully the EMA will make a statement to tigger the resumption of jabs or Europe is going to be in a right old mess

I think there may be something in this - they want to make sure they are seen to being absolutely as safe as possible and might believe that will help acceptance.

If so, I think it's misguided, but may have some truth to it.

 

[Healdplace]

Well someone has got this VERY wrong in a bring down the government way.

It can only be the UK or the rest of the world as their statements on this are poles apart.

Though that suggestion about caution sending a signal to their own people proving it is safety first is a sensible one it would in truth surely do the reverse to the likelihood anybody there will want this vaccine over the others by choice.

Nobody will forget the 'problem' even if it turns out to be exaggerated. As they will all assume there could easily be more things they do not yet know.

If this is not a campaign against the vaccine it will sure turn into one by accident.

I bet quite a few in the UK will now insist on the other vaccine at second jab. Or say I will stick to just the one thanks.

I suspect we will have a press conference tomorrow. They cannot ignore this much longer. I assume if data is due tomorrow they were awaiting that.

Either way our runaway train of vaccine rollout might be hitting a red signal.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

It would be far more helpful if you actually hit the "report" link under the post so we would know instantly, rather than quote it, which causes more work to delete them.

Sometimes it's not that easy to know if it's a troll or just someone's opinion that you disagree with though. If I report the post, but it stays there (which has happened before to me), then my point is lost.

 

[Manc in London]

Indeed, but as only 8 of the total deaths preceded March today MOST of the deceased over-80s would, all things being equal, have had access to the vaccine.

Yes, had access but necessarily had it. They could have been on a ventilator for several weeks, were too weak to have the vaccine and either they or their carer may have said they do not want it or cannot have it. There are also potential issues of them only having one vaccine or were positive when they had the vaccine. I guess some are also so weak, they could die if they only had what others would consider mild symptoms.

 

[cleavers]

Sometimes it's not that easy to know if it's a troll or just someone's opinion that you disagree with though. If I report the post, but it stays there (which has happened before to me), then my point is lost.

It's still better for us to have it reported though, that way we can have an informed discussion, if it's subsequently quoted, we then have to look for further replies, to delete those or it stats on the forum as a quote.

 

[Cheesy]

Reaction is continuing to come in to countries such as France and Germany halting their roll-out of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine.

Dr Michael Head, Senior Research Fellow in Global Health at the University of Southampton, says the decision is "baffling".

"The data we have suggests that numbers of adverse events related to blood clots are the same (and possibly, in fact lower) in vaccinated groups compared to unvaccinated populations," he says.

"The UK MHRA [Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency], WHO [World Health Organization] and also the International Society on Thrombosis and Haemostasis have recommended continuing the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine roll out.

“Halting a vaccine roll-out during a pandemic has consequences. This results in delays in protecting people, and the potential for increased vaccine hesitancy, as a result of people who have seen the headlines and understandably become concerned.

"There are no signs yet of any data that really justify these decisions.”

 

[Manc in London]

I'd say the actions and statements from many European countries have made the AZ vaccine almost 'unsellable' to their respective populations. If the millions of administered doses in the UK combined with all the data we now have isn't enough then I'd say it isn't going to be a viable option for many countries.

That's a shame but I can't see the UK perception changing now as more or less everyone will have a relative or friend who has had it.

Not so sure. When people and governments see real world data (ie impact on this country), minds will be changed. Well, of those who are not anti vaxx but they don't deal in faxx (couldn't resist, sorry).

 

[Healdplace]

Not so sure. When people and governments see real world data (ie impact on this country), minds will be changed. Well, of those who are not anti vaxx but they don't deal in faxx (couldn't resist, sorry).

I wonder - there are so many vaccines I would think twice about having AZ now even though I already have had it and know the science to be calm over that.

You do not have to be an anti vaxxer to think half the world saying no and the UK saying - nothing to see here all is well - they are all just being cautious - would result in plenty saying - OK - well so am I. Give me one of the others.

If Europe wanted to derail Britain's progress they could not have done better even if it were deliberate. As I doubt this is. Largely since I doubt they could have agreed on such a plan.

 

[Manc in London]

...at least 2021 is starting to grow into something just as weird as 2020.
Crazy. Was once going to give up drinking for good (not that I drink much these days anyway) but I feel alcohol will normalise this strange landscape - bring on the openings.

More importantly....open the bleeding hairdressers. I'm having to wear hats in zoom calls now. I look like a post meltdown Syd Barrett ffs.

Yes, the hair thing is getting serious. My camera is now switched off. As my hair has been getting longer, I shaved off my beard as I was beginning to look feral. Cannot wait to get a trim.