Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Marvin said:
No point looking to politicians for solutions. They do what they are advised by people who are cleverer than they are. The unelected state machine. The Cummings of this world who have the brains to interpret what scientists are telling them.

Covid-19 will be beaten by vaccines. Therefore the important questions include:
  • vaccine supply
  • variant development, and in turn new vaccine development
To get a handle on variant development we need genomics in places in the world where the epidemic is out of control e.g., Brazil and we need computational biology to predict protein structure from amino acid residues which result directly from changes in the viral genome. What is the scope for mutation, what effects could result, and what level of replication could generate change over what timescale? There will be researchers looking at these questions, or similar questions. They will be the people who resolve this.

At the outset we were told Sars-Cov-2 is not like 'flu. It's stable. It wont evolve and render our vaccines useless. But now we find that it's somewhere midway between measles and flu, and hence we can't just see this is a black and white problem of vaccinating our way out of this. It's likely to be ongoing until such time as the global pandemic comes under control. And it isn't under control at the moment.
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Completely agree regarding the mutations and the need for an evolution of vaccines, problems which will only get worse if we just focus on our own individual countries and ignore the wider situation.

But I would still argue that there’s a need for skilled politicians and some brave ones too. Diverting vaccines to other countries where the need is greatest will take real nerve and be a thankless task. If for example the government does divert some of the UK supply to the EU then I would a big backlash from the public, but it’s probably the right thing to do. And announcing further extensions to lockdowns and ongoing restrictions will get more difficult over time given how weary everyone is.

Basically, as I see it, it’s all about buying time to allow the science to work, but it will work in the end.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I think Boris is teeing up an extension of the ban on foreign holidays (or placing lots more countries in the red list) and agreeing to divert some of the UK’s vaccine supply to the EU (the stuff being produced in the EU that is).

He’ll probably argue that avoiding or minimising a third wave in Europe is the best option for the UK, and he might be right. But movement on the vaccines would make things easier with the N.I. Protocol and a few other things too with regards to the EU.

Vaccine supply will be the big bargaining chip this year.
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I worked with the EU for three years. It changed my mind. The idea that they would do a quid pro quo for anything connected to the uk post brexit is pie in the sky. We could divert every single dose
and they would not budge an inch on NI.
You have to understand that for so many of those at the centre of the EU, it is a religion. Normal diplomatic rules do not apply.
 
And just like that, millions of Brits have a dying or dead relative in *insert holiday destination here*
 
Marvin said:
No point looking to politicians for solutions. They do what they are advised by people who are cleverer than they are. The unelected state machine. The Cummings of this world who have the brains to interpret what scientists are telling them.

Covid-19 will be beaten by vaccines. Therefore the important questions include:
  • vaccine supply
  • variant development, and in turn new vaccine development
To get a handle on variant development we need genomics in places in the world where the epidemic is out of control e.g., Brazil and we need computational biology to predict protein structure from amino acid residues which result directly from changes in the viral genome. What is the scope for mutation, what effects could result, and what level of replication could generate change over what timescale? There will be researchers looking at these questions, or similar questions. They will be the people who resolve this.

At the outset we were told Sars-Cov-2 is not like 'flu. It's stable. It wont evolve and render our vaccines useless. But now we find that it's somewhere midway between measles and flu, and hence we can't just see this is a black and white problem of vaccinating our way out of this. It's likely to be ongoing until such time as the global pandemic comes under control. And it isn't under control at the moment.
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Boris was bright enough to use Cummings as long as he was useful.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
He's been at the cooking sherry, my friend.
www.walesonline.co.uk

Lockdown law could be extended until October this week

MPs will vote on the move on Thursday
www.walesonline.co.uk www.walesonline.co.uk
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The amount of people who think the vote is a vote to extend the lockdown rather than a vote to extend the lockdown laws is off the scale. Granted, some are naively falling for it in good faith but it's also brought all the tin foil hat wearing fuckwits out of the woodwork again who are busy spreading their lies and misinformation. I'm going to take great delight in ramming their shitty conspiracies back down their throats in the summer when we're all back out on the piss again. Sure, foreign holidays will probably be off the agenda for now which makes sense for both the UK and our European friends until they get up to speed on vaccinations, but the UK will be back to relative normality and it'll be interesting to see what new shite the conspiracy theorists will come out with then.
 
M18CTID said:
The amount of people who think the vote is a vote to extend the lockdown rather than a vote to extend the lockdown laws is off the scale.
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Exactly right. Scary to hear the normally credible LBC ploughing this line yesterday and sending many folk into meltdown as they assume this means easing of Lockdown now cancelled.
 
M18CTID said:
The amount of people who think the vote is a vote to extend the lockdown rather than a vote to extend the lockdown laws is off the scale. Granted, some are naively falling for it in good faith but it's also brought all the tin foil hat wearing fuckwits out of the woodwork again who are busy spreading their lies and misinformation. I'm going to take great delight in ramming their shitty conspiracies back down their throats in the summer when we're all back out on the piss again. Sure, foreign holidays will probably be off the agenda for now which makes sense for both the UK and our European friends until they get up to speed on vaccinations, but the UK will be back to relative normality and it'll be interesting to see what new shite the conspiracy theorists will come out with then.
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they will quickly jump on something else, it's their tactic
 
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