Coronavirus (2021) thread

[True_Blue69]

Is anyone still bothering with boosters until they know it works with the new variant? Don’t see the point until this is clear if it’s about to take over as the dominant strain.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Is anyone still bothering with boosters until they know it works with the new variant? Don’t see the point until this is clear if it’s about to take over as the dominant strain.

Boosters work with Delta and that's the biggest problem right now.

 

[inbetween]

Is anyone still bothering with boosters until they know it works with the new variant? Don’t see the point until this is clear if it’s about to take over as the dominant strain.

It depends what you mean by whether it works? It's still very likely that for omicron the boosters will prevent people from going to hospital or dying but it may not stop cases.

Efficacy in the vaccines was always measured by their ability to prevent cases (or not) but almost all of them claim near 90%+ efficacy against severe COVID.

I read an article by Sarah Gilbert the creator of the AZ vaccine and she said that for a viral variant to avoid the vaccine entirely it would have to mutate to the point where it would no longer function.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Is anyone still bothering with boosters until they know it works with the new variant? Don’t see the point until this is clear if it’s about to take over as the dominant strain.

Bizarre comment.

Boosters provide excellent protection against delta, currently still hospitalising 5,000 people a week, and everyone thinks they will help against omicron, though of course precisely how much isn't known.

If everyone waits until it takes over, it's too late to vaccinate widely against it.

Whereas if people are boosted in advance, it will slow any omicron spike in hospitalisation and death.

Why wouldn't you? There's no downside and potentially huge upsides.

 

[True_Blue69]

Bizarre comment.

Boosters provide excellent protection against delta, currently still hospitalising 5,000 people a week, and everyone thinks they will help against omicron, though of course precisely how much isn't known.

If everyone waits until it takes over, it's too late to vaccinate widely against it.

Whereas if people are boosted in advance, it will slow any omicron spike in hospitalisation and death.

Why wouldn't you? There's no downside and potentially huge upsides.

Im still within 6 months of my 2nd jab and if another different booster is around the corner for a new variant, I can wait for that. Seems pointless until it’s proven it works against a variant 500% more transmissible.

As of a few days ago, until they changed the booster to 3 months, I’m still fully protected so don’t see the rush.

 

[Gabriel]

ICUs in the Netherlands reporting that they’ve had to admit more unvaccinated pregnant women during the pandemic.
https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/30/unvaccinated-pregnant-women-icu-covid

 

[True_Blue69]

Boosters work with Delta and that's the biggest problem right now.

Im fully protected though, ie less than 6 months since 2nd jab, so no concerns there.

 

[M18CTID]

that’s very interesting not a lot of talk of this on morning breakfast tv.

more counting cases of new variant (14 now I think!!) and everyone they interview it’s all about more restrictions . They love it.

I'm as far from a Covid conspiracy theorist as you can get but I totally agree about much of the media. The scaremongering has been off the scale at times, particularly now this new variant has arrived. While I'm not advocating giving people false hope by plugging only positive stories, a bit of balance wouldn't go amiss.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

if another different booster is around the corner for a new variant, I can wait for that. Seems pointless until it’s proven it works against a variant 500% more transmissible.

"Around the corner" would be far too late for an omicron wave.

Three months to even start such a campaign. A virus doubling every week would peak before the first dose was given.

Whereas a booster now would provide protection ahead of that wave.

The 500% is almost certainly a huge overestimate.

 

[grunge]

Im fully protected though, ie less than 6 months since 2nd jab, so no concerns there.

your protected, a booster would still protect you more.

I'll be having it when I can.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Im fully protected though, ie less than 6 months since 2nd jab, so no concerns there.

The efficacy of vaccines reduces with time. Yours will be approx 40% - 50% if you are 5-6 months from your second jab. The booster takes that back to 90% +.
Worth getting it mate.

 

[inbetween]

your protected, a booster would still protect you more. the UK is the only country I've heard of that has this 6 months rule, probably to save on costs. Its certainly not a thing in the states and Israel for example.

Pfizer have supposedly upped the UK supplied price from £18 per dose to £22 per dose. If you think about it we'll need something like 40m doses and that's £880m or £100m+ extra.

It's no wonder is it that the pharma lobby was trying to kill off the £2.50 per dose AZ vaccine over the summer....

I think we should all have the booster but I remain highly suspicious of companies like Pfizer, especially with the revelations around malpractice around trials. I'd much rather have the AZ vaccine again although I don't think that's allowed this time.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I read an article by Sarah Gilbert the creator of the AZ vaccine and she said that for a viral variant to avoid the vaccine entirely it would have to mutate to the point where it would no longer function.

Yet the media are going into overdrive and whipping up hysteria once again.

 

[MCFCTrick]

Had the booster. It will be the final and only one for me. Enough now.

 

[grunge]

Pfizer have supposedly upped the UK supplied price from £18 per dose to £22 per dose. If you think about it we'll need something like 40m doses and that's £880m or £100m+ extra.

It's no wonder is it that the pharma lobby was trying to kill off the £2.50 per dose AZ vaccine over the summer....

I think we should all have the booster but I remain highly suspicious of companies like Pfizer, especially with the revelations around malpractice around trials. I'd much rather have the AZ vaccine again although I don't think that's allowed this time.

Agreed its not on they are price gouging. thats really poor form.

but pretty sure we ordered enough doses to cover boosting all before any price hike. we ordered another 35million doses back in August ready for winter 2022.

we have something like 90m J&J shots ordered too, so booster wise this year hopefully no impact with the prices and supplies should be there.

 

[Vic]

Yet the media are going into overdrive and whipping up hysteria once again.

I don't know what media you see. It all seems fairly balanced toward we haven't a clue what this means, so let's be careful out there.

 

[inbetween]

Yet the media are going into overdrive and whipping up hysteria once again.

Of course they are, it's a story which is no different to hysteria around football transfers. That doesn't mean that we have to lose our ability to reason, it's a major reason why I don't watch the news anymore.

Basically I think it's simple. Omicron will result in a reset to day zero or nothing will really change. Let's hope it's the latter but please don't forget that the possibility of the latter was only won through having the vaccines and boosters.

The losers in this and everything in the future will be the ones who don't get vaccinated and don't get the boosters, the hysteria is justified for those people.

 

[mosssideblue]

Im fully protected though, ie less than 6 months since 2nd jab, so no concerns there.

What will you do at the 6 month checkpoint?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Of course they are, it's a story which is no different to hysteria around football transfers. That doesn't mean that we have to lose our ability to reason.

Basically I think it's simple. Omicron will result in a reset to day zero or nothing will really change. Let's hope it's the latter but please don't forget that the possibility of the latter was only won through having the vaccines and boosters.

The losers in this and everything in the future will be the ones who don't get vaccinated and don't get the boosters, the hysteria is justified for those people.

I really can't see a situation where we're back to square one at all - not one scientist is coming out and saying that the jabs won't work at all. And we're also not in the same place where front line medical staff are running out of masks, or oxygen etc.

 

[Kiss this guy]

Do far this morning I've been to the bank, the post office and a tesco express, not one person wearing a mask (including me) and nobody enforcing it. It's good to see.