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Proy said:
Question.

If a large PLC decides to top up the outstanding 20% of wages outside the government pay scheme, does that mean they can’t then claim the other 80% of the government and end up paying the full 100%?

Ive has this raised to me by a few working in the hospitality sector. I’ll not name the companies but they are big ones in the sector.

Essentially they have executed the furlough process, a round about way of lay off, to secure the long term sustainability of the business, and pay staff via the government pay scheme.
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No the legislation allowed for companies to top up the other 20 per cent.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Vacines wont be available to the general public till feb 2020 - IF THE VIRUS DOESN'T MUTATE IN YHE MEAN TIME.
Anybody betting solely on a vacine being a available is stupid. Of more importance to the public health system is identifying those who have antibodies and taking their blood and extracting the plasma into those who are seriously ill.
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Mass vaccination may not be available but large live trials could be operational soon. Taken with antibody tests, antigen tests, and anti-virals we are in a much better position now than at the start of the outbreak. China, and South Korea have been able so far to resist a 2nd wave of infection. They are getting a lot of infected travelers, and are islands in a sea of virus and yetto date have been able to identify and isolate the 2nd wave of infections.

There are fast tests now. A society free of pressure would be able to organise a testing strategy. I don't see why anyone would want to prolong the infection to build up immunity when our ability to fight the virus grows by the month.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Vacines wont be available to the general public till feb 2020 - IF THE VIRUS DOESN'T MUTATE IN THE MEAN TIME.
Anybody betting solely on a vacine being a available is stupid. Of more importance to the public health system is identifying those who have antibodies and taking their blood and extracting the plasma and injecting it into those who are seriously ill. That can be done within two months of the antibody test being rolled out.
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In fact vacines are only better than plasma injection because they're:
(a) Cheaper to deliver.
(b) Remove the chance of passing other illnesses with the Plasma injection. This is very much minimised by the testing of the blood transfusion service.
At this point in time (b) compared with death for those who are seriously ill is a good option.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
I dunno mate. You win. Whatever.

EDIT: Fuck it, no. No, I didn't say the situation is different in Italy because of different social norms. Read what I wrote: "I don't know... It's perhaps to do with where the outbreak started, the demographics infected, their social norms - we don't go around hugging each other like they do in other countries for example? I really have no idea."

Also, I said on March 9th that in 2 weeks we would be where Italy are. 2 weeks later we were. Get over it.
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ha ha
 
Proy said:
Question.

If a large PLC decides to top up the outstanding 20% of wages outside the government pay scheme, does that mean they can’t then claim the other 80% of the government and end up paying the full 100%?

Ive has this raised to me by a few working in the hospitality sector. I’ll not name the companies but they are big ones in the sector.

Essentially they have executed the furlough process, a round about way of lay off, to secure the long term sustainability of the business, and pay staff via the government pay scheme.
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It looks like the 20% doesn't matter to the 80%
Good on companies who pay it
 
nmc said:
No the legislation allowed for companies to top up the other 20 per cent.
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Thanks

That was my impression.

I’ll not name the 2 companies who have chosen this route, but if you look across the hospitality and hotel sector there are 3 main companies who occupy market share.

1 has decided to top up, the other 2 have said fuck you your are temp laid off and the government will pay you.

Some sectors of industry across the UK are coming out of this with a real shit stain.

Process and money before people.
 
Proy said:
Thanks

That was my impression.

I’ll not name the 2 companies who have chosen this route, but if you look across the hospitality and hotel sector there are 3 main companies who occupy market share.

1 has decided to top up, the other 2 have said fuck you your are temp laid off and the government will pay you.

Some sectors of industry across the UK are coming out of this with a real shit stain.

Process and money before people.
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I agree with your last 2 sentences.

That said, even paying 20% for some companies would be a bankrupting burden, so I don't think it is fair to tar them all with that brush.
 
karen7 said:
It looks like the 20% doesn't matter to the 80%
Good on companies who pay it
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The 2 said companies in this are preaching a false message to their employees. They are filtering down through from the round table telling their employees that they can’t top up because they’d have to pay the 100%.

Its bollocks.

Some real politics coming through across some big industries in the uk right now and they don’t look so good.
 
Proy said:
Thanks

That was my impression.

I’ll not name the 2 companies who have chosen this route, but if you look across the hospitality and hotel sector there are 3 main companies who occupy market share.

1 has decided to top up, the other 2 have said fuck you your are temp laid off and the government will pay you.

Some sectors of industry across the UK are coming out of this with a real shit stain.

Process and money before people.
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I’ve had the “fuck you” off my company im down to the 80% off the gov for however long it takes, but hey ho plenty of people in a worse situation, everybody stay in & stay safe
 
Chippy_boy said:
I agree with your last 2 sentences.

That said, even paying 20% for some companies would be a bankrupting burden, so I don't think it is fair to tar them all with that brush.
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Which is why I said the 2/4 main companies across the this sector who are collectively worth billions.

The middle to lower sector are going to feel this and with those following the government path, I get. Totally.
 
Proy said:
Question.

If a large PLC decides to top up the outstanding 20% of wages outside the government pay scheme, does that mean they can’t then claim the other 80% of the government and end up paying the full 100%?

Ive has this raised to me by a few working in the hospitality sector. I’ll not name the companies but they are big ones in the sector.

Essentially they have executed the furlough process, a round about way of lay off, to secure the long term sustainability of the business, and pay staff via the government pay scheme.
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Isn’t the 80% the Govt pay net? Therefore it should be more or less the same as the net pay those workers receive through PAYE anyway?
 
Proy said:
The 2 said companies in this are preaching a false message to their employees. They are filtering down through from the round table telling their employees that they can’t top up because they’d have to pay the 100%.

Its bollocks.

Some real politics coming through across some big industries in the uk right now and they don’t look so good.
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Yep some people and businesses are not coming out of this crisis well,big ones i mean,not small companies
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I do wonder how long it will be before the govn start taking drastic action to force people back to work. I hope we're not in for a lack of supply for essential services and goods because people are off sick or at risk
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You seem to want it both ways. Nobody working equals no supplies.

Also, the government don’t need to “force” people back to work. Just stop the support measures and let things take their natural course.

They’ve gone out of their way to do this thing by consent so your comments appear a bit churlish.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
also I don’t know this for a fact but I am just guessing as they are so family orientated that when a lockdown was threatened instinctively they thought get all the family together so we can look after each other.

instinctively in a family centric society that’s the obvious thing to do but actually it is the worst thing to do.
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We are in the campo but yes there was a family meeting to decide how they looked after the older folk but now in lockdown no family visits for Julia.
Daily help from home help and daughter across the ramble where the farm is but visits simply stopped at least from kids and most cars.
Incidentally we live in SE Spain outside Huércal-Overa in Almeria (Andalucia) and our local hospital is treating 4 cases of CV all from way outside our town with zero deaths but we are still on full lockdown and is obeyed by all without question.
Spread is controlled by cars limited to driver only and roadblocks on Andalucia borders to prevent 2nd home Madrid etc. prime home people entering.
 
SWP's back said:
Isn’t the 80% the Govt pay net? Therefore it should be more or less the same as the net pay those workers receive through PAYE anyway?
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That depends if the companies pay first I would think. There is still a lack of clarity around when this pay scheme will land, so the companies I’m talking about are actually paying this 80% before the package kicks in and they can claim. Pre that, they are subject to the usual HMRC channels and deductions.

To be fair, I get that bit. It means their employees don’t have to wait for pay but at the same time means they ultimately don’t top up.

My beef is with those at the top of this sector, who could, but have chosen not to, top up.
 
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