COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inbetween]

Don't despair just yet mate. Even the elderly and frail generally survive this. Their chances are nothing like so good, obviously but even so the vast majority of them recover from it just fine... assuming they even catch it in the first place.

We have to be positive and it has to be remembered that not every person over 80 who gets it will die. The biggest point of optimism is we have no idea how many actual cases there are and within that we have no idea how many people have it and are 80+.

We do know how many are dying though and we do know that it is likely millions have it and that will include a big chunk of the elderly. Even if you only consider the confirmed cases alone then the death rate is still around 21% which whilst awful.. It's still a fighting number.

I wouldn't rule out the older generation because even the worst of this is survivable and the odds are in their favour, even more so if they can get access to care.

That latter point is why all the twats messing around outside need to get inside NOW.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Agree totally with this but I suspect the City and our government would see this as socialism.

Well if this is socialism, then sign me up. This is impacting human society across the globe. Only essential businesses need to be kept funded and afloat.

Otherwise, households needs to be sustained with a universal amount until a vaccine is developed. My mortgage company just kicked the can down the street for three months when the payment holiday ends.

What then? Same goes for all these other initiatives. Three months pay, three months for this, three months for that.

I'm certainly no economist but why go £1trillion in the hole, if households in this country could get it instead and spend the money to essentially live, thus paying that cash directly back into the very economy it needs to keep afloat?

It's not as if people can go out and spend it on a holiday is it?

 

[Eds]

I used to go in the Moor Top when I lived in The Heatons in the early 90s, and played for the pub football team for a couple of seasons, in The Manchester Accountants League of all things!? That was until I got sent off and banned for 11 weeks!

Ah, memories.

Ha, think I won that league at some stage late 80's or early 90's. It's still going as far as I know. There was a ref in the league who we called Bingo Billy who used to be also on the gates at City and always told me to go through the junior gates even when I was mid 20's. His eyesight was awful as was his reffing which was hardly surprising as he rarely left the centre circle

 

[Blue Hefner]

Well if this is socialism, then sign me up. This is impacting human society across the globe. Only essential businesses need to be kept funded and afloat.

Otherwise, households needs to be sustained with a universal amount until a vaccine is developed. My mortgage company just kicked the can down the street for three months when the payment holiday ends.

What then? Same goes for all these other initiatives. Three months pay, three months for this, three months for that.

I'm certainly no economist but why go £1trillion in the hole, if households in this country could get it instead and spend the money to essentially live, thus paying that cash directly back into the very economy it needs to keep afloat?

It's not as if people can go out and spend it on a holiday is it?

I watched a documentary a few years ago, "the men who made us spend" and in it they said the amount the UK Government spent to bail-out the banks in 2008 was the equivalent of giving every adult(maybe household) £25 grand - why not do that? That will sort everyone out, it's more than the average wage if tax free and will be spent locally. Real trickle down economics

Worth a shot than loading individuals with debt. Then claw it back in 5 years through tax?? I'm not an economist and I'm sure there are holes in what I have said but, it seems like a good idea to me

 

[Nellies left peg]

That’ll be my old dear finished then If that’s true.

Mam is in her 80s in a care home and I haven’t been able to visit now for almost 3 weeks.

I said a couple of weeks back I didn’t expect to see her again and this news has just raised my fears of this.

If it meant a younger person may survive then I would accept that.

Remain positive. She is probably in total lockdown and being looked after so fingers crossed she will escape it. I feel sorry for the elderly living alone. And being scared shirtless by the news and unable to shop. Our little cul de sac is sharing our online shopping delivery slots to help everybody and everyone is keeping in contact with the ones who we think are at risk. My wife is one of those with advanced ms. It really restores my faith in people. Hopefully we'll be posting on here for a while to come and you can tell us how your mum's birthday party went

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I watched a documentary a few years ago, "the men who made us spend" and in it they said the amount the UK Government spent to bail-out the banks in 2008 was the equivalent of giving every adult(maybe household) £25 grand - why not do that? That will sort everyone out, it's more than the average wage if tax free and will be spent locally. Real trickle down economics

Worth a shot than loading individuals with debt. Then claw it back in 5 years through tax?? I'm not an economist and I'm sure there are holes in what I have said but, it seems like a good idea to me

That's simply my view. To hear some of these amounts, it just takes the breath away. I'm sure, a bit like the TV and Winter Fuel allowance, people would also get the cash that didn't need it.

However, more are in dire need than aren't. There will come a day when automation decrees that a universal income will be required for a majority of the globe who are no longer able to work.

My argument is this. We've printed hundreds of billions, not for the first time, either. Imagine what £250bn would have done for the NHS or our education system years back?

 

[worsleyweb]

That’s the problem when you have stupid media incapable of independent thought who would rather have click bait sound bites than investigative, authoritative reporting

Totally agree - where is the decent press? The standard of Journalism is appalling.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Have posted a couple of times on this issue but the government should consider Covid bonds (same principal as war bonds) which offers a discount to market rates so umm basically near zero but tugs on the country’s civic duty in times of crisis.

The institutions should be made to take up a certain percentage based on their net assets on the balance sheet. Would fill a big hole that is going to appear in public finances soon and the institutions are seen to be doing their bit as well and a bit of redemption from 2008 legacy they left us. Obviously open to private investors as well...I would seriously consider it myself.

Agreed.

 

[squirtyflower]

Totally agree - where is the decent press? The standard of Journalism is appalling.

I used to read the Sunday Times from the early 80’s until the 00’s.
An excellent read with independent journalists including their Insight team. The stories I read in there I’d often see pop up in ‘lesser’ papers during the week, clearly their journalists had only just got that far reading it.

However haven’t read it as much for quite some time, even though we get the digital version.

 

[SilverFox2]

The care home question keeps coming up..

Because most care home residents live with frailty and multiple medical conditions, there may be occasions where paramedics, general practitioners, or other healthcare professionals make decisions not to escalate their care to hospital. These decisions will not be taken lightly and care home staff must be prepared to work with healthcare providers to support families and residents if such difficult decisions have to be taken.

Healthcare professionals may find the Clinical Frailty Scale (CFS) to be a useful resource in making and discussing escalation decisions. 13 At the time of writing, the NICE guidance on escalation of COVID positive patients to critical care suggests frailty will play an important part in decision-making.14 It has been suggested that those with a CFS of 5 or more are less likely to benefit from critical care. Primary care providers may wish to consider this in their discussions with residents and relatives, and decisions about escalation to acute care

https://www.bgs.org.uk/resources/covid-19-managing-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-care-homes

Thanks for that Karen.
I remember some years ago when my mum suffered a stroke and when GP came round to our house and confirmed it he asked did we really want her to go to hospital. Of course we said naively she deserves the best treatment possible.
Hospital gave her a bed and consultant said if as expected she had a heart attack or similar they would not assist her.recovery I was amazed and pointed out her fully paid up membership of the NI club, he replied it was hospital policy for older people.

My point is perhaps I should have listened to the GPs hint and left her to be treated at home.