COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Marvin]

As has been pointed out many times on here, uni students doing science, engineering and medical degrees need access to labs, workshops, etc..

They do but undergraduates are not in labs or on campus apart from occasional socially distanced small tutorial groups. Research continues but is restricted.

 

[117 M34]

Would have made far more sense to have the lock down when it was half term. Would have been much easier for everyone and far more effective too

 

[somapop]

This is a week old. You may already have discussed this. US regulators have concerns over their trials. Not good news because if true it will delay the vaccine approval process in the US.

You would have thought the likes of Fauci, or colleagues, would have thought through the design protocol of these trials, after all they are publically funded. It's the scientist's job to come up with a vaccine and statistically interpretable sets of results and its civil servants job to integrate this into a strategy.

How stupid is it that a vaccine might be delayed because we have 4-5 vaccine trials instead of 1.
Stat News

Doesn’t sound great that :(

 

[BigOscar]

I go in houses daily for work. The oldies are way worse for basically not getting out the way.
easy to blame the young but the older ones , who should be protecting themselves better, dont

From my experience in the shop, Old people forget to do the right thing, a lot of younger people don't give a shit, while a fairly large amount of middle aged men seem to deliberately break the rules as some weird refusal to be told what to do.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

at Least they will be better prepared for the next one. Really interesting to see the different experiences of my grandkids during lockdown Covering two primary and one secondary school. One of 5h3 primary schools was excellent not just for online learning but keeping the school community together and looking after the kids emotional well-being. From what I saw it was exceptional and worked. The other primary school did virtually nothing. The secondary school was somewhere in between and work was assigned and marked online. It really seemed to be left to the schools themselves which isn’t right.

It would be more cost effective and doable to have a type of blended learning where core lessons were shared across schools, enhanced by local interaction with schools / teachers.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

They do but undergraduates are not in labs or on campus apart from occasional socially distanced small tutorial groups. Research continues but is restricted.

Yes, agreed, I appreciate they are doing what they can to minimise risk and exposure and delivery has been redesigned where possible.

My daughter is a medical student. Those small socially distanced group sessions are pretty important for her learning are there are some elements that just have to be taught that way.

 

[Silva2121]

According to the muen full lockdown.
Apart from essential shops and education.
Surley there isn't enough money in the pot to bring furlough back in.
Is there??.
I work in construction massive site outside .
Easy to apply social distance rules .
I wonder if construction will be shut down this time.
I hope not

 

[mosssideblue]

According to the muen full lockdown.
Apart from essential shops and education.
Surley there isn't enough money in the pot to bring furlough back in.
Is there??.
I work in construction massive site outside .
Easy to apply social distance rules .
I wonder if construction will be shut down this time.
I hope not

Sadly mate, has to be, else we are simply doing as we are now

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

According to the muen full lockdown.
Apart from essential shops and education.
Surley there isn't enough money in the pot to bring furlough back in.
Is there??.
I work in construction massive site outside .
Easy to apply social distance rules .
I wonder if construction will be shut down this time.
I hope not

Now would be a great time to ramp up spending on infrastructure projects that we are committed to anyway, such as a large expansion of rail electrification

 

[itsnevereasy]

Man up, it is not forever , other generations have coped with worse

Fuck off man up, let me guess your income and standard of living will be fine no matter what. Worse was when we had bombs being dropped on us, now a virus that makes very few people ill (and those people tend to already be ill or close to deaths door) is ruining the way we live, the vest majority of people will be fine if they catch it but yet the vest majority are being made to suffer to keep people like you happy. Generations to come are going suffer financially because of the actions of this government to save a few.

 

[purplenose]

Social media, you say. *Puts face in hands*
Seriously. You're lost if you let it dictate your parenting.

I think a huge amount of under 50s have their lives run and ruled almost entirely by social media.

Seems like some sort of half arsed lockdown is now inevitable but all of it is meaningless while the schools are open, we may as well carry on as normal as the schools are the main reason the virus has spread like it is at the moment.
I work in one and I’m genuinely bemused at why they are going to open again next week when the week before half term in my school alone the cases and absences were getting ridiculous.
Kids will be fine and in the main at worst have mild to feeling a bit poorly symptoms but they are taking home to family. Not rocket science is it ?

Exactly this. I am really not sure where this fear of facing reality and telling all the parents that schools have to close as the little cherubs are spreading it all over the show.

Not for one minute am i suggesting that the likes of pubs should be exempt from this but I am bloody sure they are no more likely to be responsible for spreading covid.

I know its tough on the kids but really I do not see any other sensible course of action than closing the schools and probably unis, though of course that could be more complicated as it would mean 1000s of students travelling home right now and that would not be a good idea.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

i dont know how a lockdown really differs much from tier 3 if kids are going to school and people go to work etc.it just means pubs restraunts and non essential shops shut,its the schools and workplaces its being spread so not sure how it will help.

My gym is still at 0 recorded cases for members and staff (I know others won’t be). The coffee shop I go to is the same.

They’re the only two places I go to other than my essential places of the supermarket and work.

There is better social distancing and far better constant sanitising at the gym than in the supermarket and work.

If we don’t want to shut schools, it’s the social mixing in houses which needs the most attention. Closing the businesses that are barely or aren’t contributing to the spread, isn’t going to do anything but potentially send these places out of business.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

Closing the businesses that are barely or aren’t contributing to the spread, isn’t going to do anything but potentially send these places out of business.

Politicians want to be seen to be 'doing something', however futile and tokenistic.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I came to the conclusion some years ago that as a country, we are fundamentally quite unpleasant actually. Of course we have our good points but there are far, far, far too many utter wankers in our society. We are in large proportion, self-centred, arrogant, rebellious and basically not very nice. Witnessing the countless scenes of mass non-compliance with Covid restrictions, only goes to illustrate the point. It's like it's in our genes to resent authority, to be non-compliant and to ignore rules. It's almost as if it's what defines us as being British.

Which is why I find it so difficult to understand our government's approach, which when compared to that of other countries, can only be described as "let's ask the public nicely if they would be kind enough to do X". OF COURSE this was never going to work.

Other countries have FAR tighter restrictions, and critically, enforcement and punishment. And whilst us Brits seem to want our freedoms more than most, and therefore the government has been loathed to be too Draconian, ironically we need more Draconian measures not less, because of what we are like. More policing (augmented by the army where we don't have enough numbers), stronger policing - none of this softly softly "have a word" bollocks - MUCH bigger fines and even custodial sentences for the worst cases of rule-breaking.

Should we have water canon out on the late night revellers? Of course we should. The rave over the summer near me in Bath was allowed to continue because the police felt there were too many people and they couldn't do much to stop it. What a disgrace. They should have pulled the plug out and arrested the DJ and the organisers. And if they didn't have enough police, mobilise back ups, including the army if needed.

If people want to act like tossers, I am sorry but we have to treat them like tossers. It's not like this is a bit of a laugh. Thousands of lives are at stake and I think the enforcement and punishments are in that context a complete joke.

Spot on!

There needs to be harder messaging from government. None of this “we congratulate you for your working with us and keeping these numbers low”. While it’s nice to congratulate those following the rules, it’s better to be sending out warnings to those who aren’t. More messages like “you are killing people” “we will arrest you”.

Police should be handing out far greater numbers and harsher fines. Anyone caught breaking Covid rules are issued with £10,000 fines. None of this £240 nonsense (which is actually £100 if paid within two weeks).

People think they have too much power in this country. Many think they’re untouchable. The Police should be out in numbers and forcing the rules on people.

 

[urban genie]

How many students leaving school go on to that form of employment? And those students that do, how many don't have to re-learn what Pi is for a qualification specific for that form of employment? Both answers will be a very tiny %.

Meanwhile millions of students leave school not knowing anything about calorie intake or what an overdraft/interest rates are or how to conduct a letter/email because too much time is spent learning about elements of subjects that don't have any affect on their future life.

To be fair you can teach both.


One should not be sacrificed for the other, that is also a poor education model.

 

[worsleyweb]

Sadly mate, has to be, else we are simply doing as we are now

they did not close in the first lockdown.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

That’s been going on since I was a school 40 years ago, life skills should be at the forefront of education. The internet and access to be things have changed things tremendously yet the core way of learning doesn’t seem to have, the three Rs are fundamentals, be literate and the rest will come, co signs etc in math fucking pointless, learn about overdrafts, credit cards etc

Co signs? I think you mean cosines. Not pointless. Ever seen a road sign at the bottom of a steep hill with a picture of a slope and a number saying 10%? You know what it means and that a slope of 100% is not vertical, thanks to sines, cosines and tangents.

 

[SiMCFC]

Spot on!

There needs to be harder messaging from government. None of this “we congratulate you for your working with us and keeping these numbers low”. While it’s nice to congratulate those following the rules, it’s better to be sending out warnings to those who aren’t. More messages like “you are killing people” “we will arrest you”.

Police should be handing out far greater numbers and harsher fines. Anyone caught breaking Covid rules are issued with £10,000 fines. None of this £240 nonsense (which is actually £100 if paid within two weeks).

People think they have too much power in this country. Many think they’re untouchable. The Police should be out in numbers and forcing the rules on people.

They are doing, my mate that's a copper in Fylde area said that is literally all they are doing, patrolling, fining when caught, getting businesses closed down via local council etc.

The majority they fine are on furlough/low income/benefits anyway so just can't pay it. Doesn't deter people as they know they can't pay :(

 

[Deleted member 77198]

They are doing, my mate that's a copper in Fylde area said that is literally all they are doing, patrolling, fining when caught, getting businesses closed down via local council etc.

The majority they fine are on furlough/low income/benefits anyway so just can't pay it. Doesn't deter people as they know they can't pay :(

Good to hear the Police are doing this!

Maybe it’s the punishment that needs to change then?

Force those who can’t pay fines to clock in hours helping the NHS, care homes or home visits with food for the vulnerable in their time outside work (if they work), without pay.

 

[sky tot]

There a big queue at the barbers this morning.

Yep , getting my Barnet done . Should take all of 3 mins