COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Karen, let's do some very easy maths together ok?

Im going to use the term mean.


1) What is the mean time between infection and symptoms?
2) What is the mean time between symptoms and death?

answer 1) 5 days
answer 2) 18 days

add them together = 23 days.

So from catching it to dying takes on average 23 days.


3) When did the most people in English hospitals die from covid (the peak)?

answer 3) 8th April.

4) when did they catch it?

answer 4) 23 days before the 8th April which is 16th of March

Here comes the big one!

When did the UK go into "lockdown"?

I'll let you answer that yourself and see if you can draw any conclusions.

Thanks for the patronising shit

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Karen, let's do some very easy maths together ok?

Im going to use the term mean.


1) What is the mean time between infection and symptoms?
2) What is the mean time between symptoms and death?

answer 1) 5 days
answer 2) 18 days

add them together = 23 days.

So from catching it to dying takes on average 23 days.


3) When did the most people in English hospitals die from covid (the peak)?

answer 3) 8th April.

4) when did they catch it?

answer 4) 23 days before the 8th April which is 16th of March

Here comes the big one!

When did the UK go into "lockdown"?

I'll let you answer that yourself and see if you can draw any conclusions.

real elephant in the room which journos obviously ignore is how many lives have you saved by the actions that the govt has taken and the sacrifices it has asked the population to take.

the issue is not the number of lives lost , but the number of additional lives said by your measures. The virus was here and would take lives we know that no matter what we would have done.

So when I said 50,000 deaths locking down ( and if people say we have not really locked down ok imagine you are Spain or Italy then it’s the same) what would be the actual number of deaths if we had followed Sweden or South Korea model which was social distance and common sense ?

Even if it had risen to 60,000 deaths is saving that additional 10,000 deaths worth the long term consequences of the lockdown. The cancer professor has estimated there will be an additional 18,000 cancer deaths coming later because of the lockdown and delayed treatment .

 

[robbieh]

Karen people were always going to die. Look at the start of the thread. It would be more shocking if people had not died don’t you think?

this virus we know people are going to die . The question we should be asking as why have the 3 countries with the tightest lockdowns is Europe got the worst death rates , Italy Spain and the uk .

The reason is simple. Those three countries all implemented lockdown way after the horse had bolted.

Spain locked down when there were over 5k cases. UK nearly 4k. Both countries had well over 100 deaths by this stage.

Let's look at Greece.

On the 27th of Feb when they had 1 confirmed case they cancelled carnival season. They closed schools on the 10th March when cases had reached 89, still no deaths mind you. 3 days later, the day Spain locked down, Greece closed bars and restaurants, 190 cases and 1 death.

Locking down early was the key for Greece having such low numbers. They took preventative action, like New Zealand, the UAE and others.

The three countries at the top of the European table took their time and then thought fuck.

 

[SWP's back]

Herd immunity was the big mistake we made,everything else followed,there needs to be a investigation as to why we thought we knew better than everyone else

It was a week before the sentence being used and then lock down.

 

[SWP's back]

Time will tell, unless we get somewhere near herd immunity we are locked down until a vaccine is available which can't happen. I don't understand how people think that when we come out of lockdown, whether it's this week or 6 weeks that the to number of infections won't just go back up.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

Interesting counter view there which would suggest an enquiry will be needed as to why America didn't follow herd immunity.

We don't know at the moment but for sure questions will be asked one way or another.

Have you seen the fact that the U.K. has experienced twice as many deaths as it normally would average so far this year. That’s some fucking hoax that.

 

[SWP's back]

Much fewer than a typical Flu causes in those groups.

Now that’s a link I want to read.

 

[purplenose]

The reason is simple. Those three countries all implemented lockdown way after the horse had bolted.

Spain locked down when there were over 5k cases. UK nearly 4k. Both countries had well over 100 deaths by this stage.

Let's look at Greece.

On the 27th of Feb when they had 1 confirmed case they cancelled carnival season. They closed schools on the 10th March when cases had reached 89, still no deaths mind you. 3 days later, the day Spain locked down, Greece closed bars and restaurants, 190 cases and 1 death.

Locking down early was the key for Greece having such low numbers. They took preventative action, like New Zealand, the UAE and others.

The three countries at the top of the European table took their time and then thought fuck.

I am afraid that in the fullness of time it will become very clear that Spain, Italy, Us, and the Yanks made an absolute fucking mess of it early doors. Italy being perhaps the only one with much of an excuse to not have ordered a lock down a bloody sight quicker than they did.

Any consideration of herd immunity would have and still is insanity until it has actually been established what level of immunity having been infected actually gives you.

 

[BlueAnorak]

herd immunity. How you get it without half the population dead is the big issue.
Still not proved that those who have had it ARE immune

Research from South Korea indicates that reinfections were actually due to false positive tests:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-reinfections-were-false-positives.html

As to short term immunity B and T lymphocyte cells are now know to exist for at least 3 months from people who were ill (not mild illness).
Medium and long term immunity will be dependent on whether B & T lymphocyte memory cells created in small numbers during illness are bound to our bone marrow and how fast the virus mutates.

 

[Scottyboi]

The reason is simple. Those three countries all implemented lockdown way after the horse had bolted.

Spain locked down when there were over 5k cases. UK nearly 4k. Both countries had well over 100 deaths by this stage.

Let's look at Greece.

On the 27th of Feb when they had 1 confirmed case they cancelled carnival season. They closed schools on the 10th March when cases had reached 89, still no deaths mind you. 3 days later, the day Spain locked down, Greece closed bars and restaurants, 190 cases and 1 death.

Locking down early was the key for Greece having such low numbers. They took preventative action, like New Zealand, the UAE and others.

The three countries at the top of the European table took their time and then thought fuck.

I'd imagine Spain Italy France and the UK have a hell of a lot more people visiting them than Greece in February and March too.

 

[kaz7]

I am afraid that in the fullness of time it will become very clear that Spain, Italy, Us, and the Yanks made an absolute fucking mess of it early doors. Italy being perhaps the only one with much of an excuse to not have ordered a lock down a bloody sight quicker than they did.

Any consideration of herd immunity would have and still is insanity until it has actually been established what level of immunity having been infected actually gives you.

This,we assumed immunity,nearly four months on an nobody will confirm immunity still and this virus is throwing up surprises everyday