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grunge said:
Just For comparison Manchester has a population of 550k and 100k students.

London has a population of 9 million with 500k students.
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The comparisons were by region not by city. There are boroughs in London with proportion of students comparable with the city of Manchester. I assume you are not including Salford Uni students as thelat university is based in a different city. On Wiki Manchester Met and the university have a total of c75k students.

How many universities in Tameside, Wigan, Stockport, Oldham, Bury, Rochdale and Trafford?

Regardless, my main point was absolute not prortionality.
 
Marvin said:
For a social group to drive a population centre's dynamics they would have to make up a significant percentage of its population. Recall when wave 2 started in Sep/Oct at the same time as students started term, the headlines were made by university towns, and not London because in London students are overwhelmed by the overall population.
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Your primary focus is university students when my original post stated university students were one group, along with those children who attend the 3,000 schools in the area.
 
Blue and still suffering said:
Apart from certain sections of people the concept of self sacrifice no longer applies. Individuals are more concerned about themselves and this is borne out by not adhering to the rules that they don't think should apply to them.
I could go on a grumpy old man rant about some of the examples but I think it's best if I leave it at that.
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As a retailer, and looking at footfall, i'd say lots of people are staying at home as much as they can. For the last 4 weeks before xmas the high street was mostly deserted.
 
Manc in London said:
Your primary focus is university students when my original post stated university students were one group, along with those children who attend the 3,000 schools in the area.
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You were seeking to explain the growth in London's epidemic in terms of their education sector...

Manc in London said:
This is not reflected in the data. The main driving force was the education sector. Which region has the most post-school students (one university has 120,000 students) and children of school age (over 3,000 schools)?

When London was in Tier 2 it had less positive cases and deaths than the NW. Often a quarter or third the number of deaths.

In terms of comparison, London is at a significant disadvantage because of the likes of pop density and housing tenure. Multiply the City of Manchester figures by 20 and that would provide a more suitable comparison than the likes of the NW region.
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I agree with your 2nd and 3rd sentences but disagree with your claim that the driving force in London's epidemic is due to peculiarities in London's education sector.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Maybe but on admission to hospital patients get loaded up with a major drug cocktail of steroids, Heprin (anti colagulant), vit D, Calcitriol (vit D already converted to immune system modulator as it takes the Liver 5 days to convert vit D to Calcittriol), Potassium, anti inflammatory and loads of other stuff including an anti viral. Anyone going to ICU is loaded up with survivor plasma and other stuff.
Whatever, the end result is that the death rate has dropped by between 60-70% since April
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Not sure about most of that.
Steroids are certainly used for people on oxygen and one of the few things that have been definitely shown to work.
Heparin is something people should get anyway when they come into hospital. The optimum dose for Covid remains uncertain, but high doses probably cause more side effects than benefits.
Plasma is still being evaluated but it's use is probably pretty doubtful in icu.
Don't think many places are using Vit D. Needs a bit more evidence for therapeutic usage though it makes sense to make sure you have adequate starting levels.
The antivirals don't have much of an evidence base and are likely to be useful in the early stages though Remdesevir is still used.
Potassium isn't really a treatment for anything unless you're short of potassium.
Some of the newer biological antiinflammatories may be helping but they are still being evaluated.
Trump got his antibodies before hospital which is probably when they are useful.
Just general care may well be better plus steroids and early use of cpap.
 
Blue and still suffering said:
Bury isn't doing that badly in terms of the number of cases compared to the other GM Councils. The problem is that our population at 180k is a lot smaller than the rest hence the large pop score.
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Exactly - that is why the Pop score is the key to judge places versus other places.

Not that the government seem to listen, Manchester has led less than or similar to the number of cases as Liverpool for a while now but technically might look to be 'worse' if it has 130 and Liverpool 110 but when you factor in population and go by the Pop Score Manchester has been better than Liverpool for most of the past 2 weeks,

Of course there are other factors as to why areas are in Tier 2 or 3 such as hospital pressures.

But without the Pop score you would argue Liverpool had fewer cases and so was better.

Bury, as you say, has big numbers when it scores 70 cases whereas Stockport getting 70 would have a good day. The different Pop Scores would show that instantly.

Two days ago when Bury had 78 cases its Pop score rose by 41. Same day Stockport had 84 and only went up by 28. Only that paints the true picture of who had the better numbers.
 
Just an update on Swansea.

It has today slipped out of the top 10 infected in the 22 regions in Wales on the finalised case data which is from 23 December. It is number 11 with the Weekly Pop Score then at 574. It was falling by 27%.

Top in Wales is Merthyr Tydfil with a Weekly Pop score of 1023. And Bridgend close behind in second on 1021.

These are the only Welsh boroughs now over 1000.

Wrexham at `12th and a Weekly Pop Score of 571 is the highest outside of South Wales.

Though it did not stop Wrexham playing in Stockport the other day.

However, Conwy and Denbighshire in North Wales have lower weekly Pop Scores (119 and 218 respectively) but they are two areas of Wales currently rising the most - both over 40%.
 
Wales data first up today:

Normal case data release today but with death catch up numbers because of the long weekend.

Deaths 33

Cases 2761
 
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Tier 4 ! I can still order , pay and collect from my local argos. But I had to return the item as it didnt work, cant do that you need to go 10 miles up the road to sainsbury's. "Why ? " " we are in tier 4 and cant open our tills". " But that town is in tier 4 as well !". " yes but its inside sainsbury's so it's open as normal !!'.

So Argos in tier 4 as a stand alone shop cant open but an Argos inside a supermarket can.

So today I queued for over an hour outside just t be told I had to go 10 miles up the road to sainsbury's to get a refund.
It wouldnt have hurt argos to put a notice up informing the customers. I mentioned this to the staff at argos in sainsbury's and she said " lots of people are asking why theres no sign"
 
Wales 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY - just deaths and cases as hospital data not updated yet.


34d - 780c

9d - 615c

24d - 2761c

33d - 2510 c TODAY
 
carlosthejackal said:
Just another example of exceptionalism, it’s rife in a huge percentage of the British population, from the “glory” days of the empire all the way through to defeating fascism in World War Two all on our own .
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Or young piss heads are selfish fuckers ?

What does the Empire or WW2 have to do with a group of youngsters, who probably don’t have a clue about WW2 or the British Empire, who are having a piss up in Sydney?

Weird take.
 
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