COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[roubaixtuesday]

Give over. A vaccine that has been rushed to the table and not tested as much as normal

Full phase 3 safety and efficacy trials are being run

 

[artfuldodger]

Gyms and leisure centers could in Liverpool when you read the detail, that was left to the local authority to decide and their decided to close them. Absolutely shocking decision and I can see why gyms in Liverpool are going mad.

So why is the mayor moaning about it? Was it not his call?

Mayor Joe Anderson questions Lancashire gyms disparity​

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said the Liverpool City Region has demanded immediate clarification on why Lancashire gyms are allowed to stay open and Liverpools close.

He describes the "inconsistent mess we now have Tier 3 A and Tier 3 B."

Are gym users in Lancashire more safer than those in Liverpool Region?

He calls it a Covid-19 shambles.

 

[mosssideblue]

The vaccine fear really shows a failure of education.

Vaccines are not massively complex things - if they were, the first ones wouldn't have been invented in the 1700's - and the "newness" of this vaccine is more akin to putting a different engine in a car that's been in production for 20 years with a huge safety track record rather than designing and building a new car from the ground up.

The problem is people haven't been taught about them in school and so you get conspiracy theories and fears that have no basis in fact.

The biggest risk with a vaccine is going to be getting a dose of live virus due to a manufacturing error and could happen with something that's been approved and tested for decades.

You may or may not be right and I am not educated in vaccine manufacture and administration to challenge (but I assume you are). For me, the Gov has made a rod for its own back in obtaining public trust, hence a vaccine being rushed through sends alarm bells ringing for me anyway.

 

[mosssideblue]

Full phase 3 safety and efficacy trials are being run

Fingers crossed it comes out successful but forgive me if I am not seen at the front of the queue

 

[artfuldodger]

Anyone any idea when the tier3 Lancashire lockdown will start as supposed to be going to ribby hall this weekend, might not bother if I can't have a few pints watching the City

The UK government has confirmed that Lancashire is to move into the top tier of restrictions from 00.01 on Saturday 17 October.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'm not fucking taking it till the next edition is available

This is pretty funny. There are many vaccines under development. They *all* have very similar trials to judge safety and efficacy.

Let's assume the "Oxford" vaccine - first in the queue is successful and rolled out. You're not taking that one. Too risky.

Next up is Moderna. Let's assume that's successful too.

So, you're now going to take the Moderna vaccine. Even though it has the same safety studies as Oxford, but definitely safer, right?

Now, what if I tell you that the Moderna vaccine is an entirely new concept, never before commercialised. You still think it's safer?

 

[cleavers]

It dropped to 1.2 (that's flattening compared to the 1.8/1.9 beforehand with social distancing and hand washing).
it took 2 whole months to fall significantly back then as well.

Lockdown officially started on March 16th (600 new cases), but it was a week later on the 23rd that the PM told everyone to stay at home, when there were around 2000 new cases. It was over 2 weeks before new cases flattened at around 4500, and around May 1st before numbers started to properly decline.

 

[Cityfan]

If anyone's interested in where the vaccines sit amongst the current understanding of the Covid immune response this is a summary of current thinking but a bit technical in parts.

DEFINE_ME

 

[Gray]

So why is the mayor moaning about it? Was it not his call?

Mayor Joe Anderson questions Lancashire gyms disparity​

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said the Liverpool City Region has demanded immediate clarification on why Lancashire gyms are allowed to stay open and Liverpools close.

He describes the "inconsistent mess we now have Tier 3 A and Tier 3 B."

Are gym users in Lancashire more safer than those in Liverpool Region?

He calls it a Covid-19 shambles.

It’s Sterling’s fault!

 

[cleavers]

No point in taking it at all if you still have antibodies.

Do you have proof of that ?

Nobody knows if having antibodies makes you fully immune, in fact there is a story from this week, about a woman who had it, fully recovered, got it again and subsequently died.