COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

as for the excess deaths quoted above, nowhere in the sky article, or the ONS figures, does it provide the standard deviation of the results which is the required context to see whether or not the deaths are within normal figures. I'm sure you already know this, but for anyone who doesn't, anything within two standard deviations of the mean is considered within normal bounds. without that number the excess death figure means nothing

Thanks , i am not seeing what you are seeing

Lumped in with europe is not helpful when reviewing our data also all ages is miles more than the average

The ONS is the best source we have for uk numbers

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Only cornwall is very low and as a region can be protected given there is only a couple of ways in and out , it is easily protected from the rest of england

How will Cornwall be able to function when it's effectively isolated from the rest of the UK ?

 

[True_Blue69]

I feel sure they are both mixing with other people , it is this attitude that spreads it

As opposed to saying mass protests were ok a few months ago? One person is in tier 1 and one in tier 2, there's virtually no risk. The reason the rules allow no role for leeway is that some will take the piss, he clearly isn't and the fact that the question is being asked shows a good degree of responsibility.

 

[kaz7]

How will Cornwall be able to function when it's effectively isolated from the rest of the UK ?

It is winter and a lot of it closes , it is used to being quieter ,in and out for work and business but nothing else, it is doable for two or three weeks

 

[kaz7]

As opposed to saying mass protests were ok a few months ago? One person is in tier 1 and one in tier 2, there's virtually no risk. The reason the rules allow no role for leeway is that some will take the piss, he clearly isn't and the fact that the question is being asked shows a good degree of responsibility.

True , if they can resist contact then do it , this is why the mixing of households is not allowed, because you relax and hug and all that , it is difficult i know

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Covid rules: Confusion as social clubs serve alcohol in tier 3 areas

But government says social clubs cannot sell alcohol on site unless served with a substantial meal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Stupidity knows no bounds.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What's your solution? As I see it, we either lock the whole country down and enforce it or we continue infinitum as people continue to do as they please

Possibly local lockdowns but with more restrictions than now to try and limit numbers in hospitals. IMO we cant keep doing national lockdowns for ever in the hope of a vaccine sometime that may or may not work for some of the population, the flu vaccine doesn't work for all, pretty sure that the majority of scientists I have read or heard have said people shouldn't expect any vaccine to be a silver bullet for that very reason.

Perhaps we need to start putting better measures in to protect the elderly and vulnerable, but if im honest im not sure that can be achieved. The risk to the young and healthy is very low perhaps we need to just let them get on with their lives? I don't think even the current situation is sustainable economically or socially for another 6 months let alone 9 or 12 months and more national lockdowns just delay the inevitable as I think we are are going to get this virus sooner rather than later as its running rampant thru every European country. No politician wants to make these calls, but I think we have some very hard decisions to make in the coming months. I also think for that very reason we should be bringing other political parties into the decision making and inviting Starmer, Sturgeon etc into the cabinet.

 

[Healdplace]

Regional scoreboard:

London 2477 - up from 2019 to highest London total yet.

Midlands 2578 - up from 2228 to highest total here.

North East 1021 - down from 1162

Yorkshire 3765 - up from 3565

North West has fallen to 4991 from 5322.

But GM has not had a good day within that fall unfortunately. As you will see in a moment.

 

[mcfc1632]

The way to live with it is to supress it as much as possible throughout the winter , the nhs gets really stretched in winter normally , add covid and it could literally collapse , we have to consider the front line workers as well, no solution is great, depends on what you value higher , life or the economy , the economy can recover , businesses can diversify , i would rather be out of work for a while than dead

The tier system is not what sage have advised, it is a clusterfuck , we need a clear message, a firebreak where everyone knows what the score is , use the time to sort out track and trace , fire harding and get someone competent in, have a proper exit plan not free for all that was the exit plan in the summer

Tier whatever plus , back to one metre plus but not two metres, god give me strength

I really respect that view - but it simply does not seem the most sensible way to me - although I accept that I am just viewing it as a 'citizen'.

I get the input from Sage is a very important - perhaps the most important - input, but it can only be one input as part of an overall decision making process.

There needs to be other inputs, from the wider DH and NHS and also from Local Authorities and economic advisors etc.

There should be some form of 'balanced' way of calculating things - because some regions may be more vulnerable than others for different reasons. As an example - people talk about Cornwall - because it has a low rate of infections - but, but maybe it also has a lower number of ventilators or ICU beds than other regions which may mean that it gets placed into lockdown for a slightly different balance of factors than another region.

A national lockdown just seems like a knee-jerk reaction/crude analysis to me - and if we have to live with this for possibly years to come we surely cannot keep snapping into national lockdowns.

The points that you make about track and trace etc. are spot on - but that seems to just be incompetence and it needs properly sorting - they have been fucking up for months - so I cannot see why a national lockdown for a few weeks is some guarantee to get it working. Some heads need to roll and others put in charge - FFS it is not exactly bleeding edge technology.

Anyway - that is my thinking - do 'a' tiering system - both for entering and leaving lockdown - and do it well - not this repetitious incompetence we have been seeing

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Possibly local lockdowns but with more restrictions than now to try and limit numbers in hospitals. IMO we cant keep doing national lockdowns for ever in the hope of a vaccine sometime that may or may not work for some of the population, the flu vaccine doesn't work for all, pretty sure that the majority of scientists I have read or heard have said people shouldn't expect any vaccine to be a silver bullet for that very reason.

Perhaps we need to start putting better measures in to protect the elderly and vulnerable, but if im honest im not sure that can be achieved. The risk to the young and healthy is very low perhaps we need to just let them get on with their lives? I don't think even the current situation is sustainable economically or socially for another 6 months let alone 9 or 12 months and more national lockdowns just delay the inevitable as I think we are are going to get this virus sooner rather than later as its running rampant thru every European country. No politician wants to make these calls, but I think we have some very hard decisions to make in the coming months. I also think for that very reason we should be bringing other political parties into the decision making and inviting Starmer, Sturgeon etc into the cabinet.

Your last sentence is spot on,however we move forward it needs full agreement and that may actually get more public onside to follow within the rules rather than pushing them to the limits.