COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Is this Yanqui for a SeXShoW?
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South by Southwest... but you’re not far off of what actually happens there.

But @FogBlueInSanFran is right, it’s the near equivalent of cancelling Glastonbury a week before it’s set to open.

My brother- and sister-in-law are in an up-and-coming band touring the US right now and, on top of being involved in a horrific 100 car accident in Wyoming that saw several people killed (although they are all mostly ok) and their tour coach smashed, and facing the prospect of many of their upcoming tour dates being cancelled due to virus responses, their marquee time slot at SXSW — that was going to give them quite a lot of exposure to bigger label agents and a decent junk of their annual income — has now obviously been sacked off.

The festival is actually the source of a large portion of the annual revenue for the tourist/service industry in Austin, Texas, were it happens each year, not to mention the various mid-to-small vendors that scaled operations for the festival, many of whom are now in the shit with merchandise they won’t be able to shift, at least not quickly and for the dosh they were expecting. It’s their Black Friday of sorts.

And this, of course, is just one of the minor impacts of the public health response, which is absolutely needed (as I have said on here quite a few times), but still has a very real impact on people’s livelihoods. There are many more serious negative economic impacts — I am just describing this one in detail as I was talking to my brother-in-law and their band manager about it yesterday, and it prompted me to do a bit of research on the festival and the general reaction to it being cancelled. Their manager is absolutely struggling to keep up with all of the upcoming venue notices of possible or confirmed cancellations due to the virus response, as well as the fall out from that horrible accident, which includes my sister-in-law, who suffers from depression and anxiety disorders, having serious difficult moving past it as she was driving at the time the accident happened. From the pictures and videos it really was a horrific ordeal for all involved, but they had to work to just get on with the tour as they need the money, especially as they now need to make up any losses from the coach being all but written off and having the rent one for the remainder of the now curtailed tour.

It is but one example of why governments have been so slow to respond, as they are in a terrible position: restrict the response to limit the impact to the economy (as a downturn would hurt people around the world) but potentially allow the virus to then spread, due huge amounts of harm (including killing the most vulnerable), and potentially destroy the economy anyway or launch a comprehensive response that helps limit the spread of the virus and the harm it causes but also negatively impacting the economy which will have cascading effects over time that will also do real harm to people (and have an overall impact on health in its own way).

They are very much damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I just personally advocate for preventing as much direct, immediate harm to people first, and solve the problems that arise from that later. And that comes from someone trained and working in the economics field — my humanist side overrides the cold, calculating one.
 
hilts said:
You can be what will be and still follow the guidelines. More of a non fret attitude. I'm washing my hands more and would stay at home when/If I get it. I work with the great unwashed so it will be visiting me at some point. May never happen though.
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Was out and about today and I washed my hands 4 times, when I got on a bus and off the bus and when I got on a train and off the train, hopefully I wont bring it home, other than that it's business as usual until the people in the know say otherwise. I didn't see a mask didn't see anyone else that I noticed washing their hands but it'll be sods law I'll catch it and be a goner before the derby kicks off ;)
 
urban genie said:
It's not airborne which is why the face masks are pointless.

In fact they say wearing a mask then taking it of to eat and putting in on a table top would help spread the disease if you are infected as the mask would spread it onto the table surface.

Any contact from face to surface is a risk so any sweat, snot, droplets from coughing are still infectious
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It's an urban myth that masks are not effective. A decent mask, properly fitted and following proper instructions makes you circa 100x less likely to catch it with a full face mask and circa 70x for a normal nose and mouth mask.

The main reason we're being told not to bother is probably imo because we haven't got enough of them and need to reserve supply for medical staff who need them. That and Joe public probably wouldn't use them properly.

But they will filter out airborne mucus droplets from other people coughing or even breathing on you and offer much better protection than not wearing a mask at all.
 
hilts said:
You can be what will be and still follow the guidelines. More of a non fret attitude. I'm washing my hands more and would stay at home when/If I get it. I work with the great unwashed so it will be visiting me at some point. May never happen though.
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To be fair, I don’t see you as the same sort of que sera, sera person like my missus, as I described in another response to @mayo31 — I think you are more of a cautious optimist, which is generally good. You’ll probably be much happier and live longer than I will; though, that would be true regardless of mindset based on recent developments, unfortunately.

I would still say that cautious realists like me (as much as you think of me as a doom monger) are useful to society in the long term. ;-)
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's an urban myth that masks are not effective. A decent mask, properly fitted and following proper instructions makes you circa 100x less likely to catch it with a full face mask and circa 70x for a normal nose and mouth mask.

The main reason we're being told not to bother is probably imo because we haven't got enough of them and need to reserve supply for medical staff who need them. That and Joe public probably wouldn't use them properly.

But they will filter out airborne mucus droplets from other people coughing or even breathing on you and offer much better protection than not wearing a mask at all.
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only medical grade masks fitted properly are effective,the rest are useless and can actually spread it more
 
Apologies if the link has already been posted but just sobering up after a night of kissing and hugging out on the town last night - just doing my bit..

caught up with C4 news from last night and there was a very good interview with Dr. Richard Hart who has a very credible background in this arena at the highest government levels including in bio-warfare for over 20 years. Dr. Richard Hatchett is CEO of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), a global partnership between public, private, philanthropic, and civil society organisations, with a mission to accelerate the development of vaccines against new infectious diseases.

‘This is the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered’ – virus expert Dr Richard Hatchett

He obviously doesn’t drink in the dog and duck like the rest of us where Terry the bar man has confirmed it’s just another flu - he’s going to look like a right tit when Terry owns him on this subject.

 
SebastianBlue said:
South by Southwest... but you’re not far off of what actually happens there.

But @FogBlueInSanFran is right, it’s the near equivalent of cancelling Glastonbury a week before it’s set to open.

My brother- and sister-in-law are in an up-and-coming band touring the US right now and, on top of being involved in a horrific 100 car accident in Wyoming that saw several people killed (although they are all mostly ok) and their tour coach smashed, and facing the prospect of many of their upcoming tour dates being cancelled due to virus responses, their marquee time slot at SXSW — that was going to give them quite a lot of exposure to bigger label agents and a decent junk of their annual income — has now obviously been sacked off.

The festival is actually the source of a large portion of the annual revenue for the tourist/service industry in Austin, Texas, were it happens each year, not to mention the various mid-to-small vendors that scaled operations for the festival, many of whom are now in the shit with merchandise they won’t be able to shift, at least not quickly and for the dosh they were expecting. It’s their Black Friday of sorts.

And this, of course, is just one of the minor impacts of the public health response, which is absolutely needed (as I have said on here quite a few times), but still has a very real impact on people’s livelihoods. There are many more serious negative economic impacts — I am just describing this one in detail as I was talking to my brother-in-law and their band manager about it yesterday, and it prompted me to do a bit of research on the festival and the general reaction to it being cancelled. Their manager is absolutely struggling to keep up with all of the upcoming venue notices of possible or confirmed cancellations due to the virus response, as well as the fall out from that horrible accident, which includes my sister-in-law, who suffers from depression and anxiety disorders, having serious difficult moving past it as she was driving at the time the accident happened. From the pictures and videos it really was a horrific ordeal for all involved, but they had to work to just get on with the tour as they need the money, especially as they now need to make up any losses from the coach being all but written off and having the rent one for the remainder of the now curtailed tour.

It is but one example of why governments have been so slow to respond, as they are in a terrible position: restrict the response to limit the impact to the economy (as a downturn would hurt people around the world) but potentially allow the virus to then spread, due huge amounts of harm (including killing the most vulnerable), and potentially destroy the economy anyway or launch a comprehensive response that helps limit the spread of the virus and the harm it causes but also negatively impacting the economy which will have cascading effects over time that will also do real harm to people (and have an overall impact on health in its own way).

They are very much damned if they do and damned if they don’t. I just personally advocate for preventing as much direct, immediate harm to people first, and solve the problems that arise from that later. And that comes from someone trained and working in the economics field — my humanist side overrides the cold, calculating one.
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purplenose said:
Mate do me a favour. As you ran crying to the mods and got me thread banned not long ago, do me the courtesy of ignoring my posts as I do yours. That way we can both enjoy and participate with no issues.
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I have no recollection of that, but it doesn't surprise me. Tell you what why don't you put me on ignore and then I can call you out for spouting bollocks without you getting all upset about it?
 
karen7 said:
only medical grade masks fitted properly are effective,the rest are useless and can actually spread it more
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I don't know what you mean by "medical grade", but a cheap (normally cheap anyway, like £2) FFP1 mask is highly effective.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I have no recollection of that, but it doesn't surprise me. Tell you what why don't you put me on ignore and then I can call you out for spouting bollocks without you getting all upset about it?
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Mate I am being reasonable and trying to avoid any unpleasantness or hassle for the mods...so i think my first suggestion would be appropriate. Just ignore my posts and I will do the same with yours. Its not difficult and would be best all round.
 
ancoats said:
i would like to know the deaths of influenza and Pneumonia already this year ? they say around 30,000 dies each year from Pneumonia and flu is the biggest trigger
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Why do people keep comparing it to flu and using total deaths as some sort of proof that we’ve got nothing to worry about? It’s that complacency that’s going to fuck us all. In a month there’ll be 100k cases, and in two months it’s into the millions. Unless we all temporarily change the way are living right now, slow the spread and help the NHS out. We’re not having that much asked of us really in the grand scheme of things, but I see people making up their own shite logic as to why they should scoff at the professional advice and just do as they please. So many idiots at work thinking like that. I’m working from home 2 days a week as per normal, but I’ll be requesting that it’s 5. Too much complacency from people at my workplace, don’t want to be anywhere near them.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's an urban myth that masks are not effective. A decent mask, properly fitted and following proper instructions makes you circa 100x less likely to catch it with a full face mask and circa 70x for a normal nose and mouth mask.

The main reason we're being told not to bother is probably imo because we haven't got enough of them and need to reserve supply for medical staff who need them. That and Joe public probably wouldn't use them properly.

But they will filter out airborne mucus droplets from other people coughing or even breathing on you and offer much better protection than not wearing a mask at all.
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Not them cheap cloth ones people walk round in.

The reason they are saying don't touch your eyes or face is that this virus can be contracted from more than the mouth.

Masks may be helpfull for close quarter contact, but generally walking down the street with one on will do nothing much but make you feel safer.


The instruction we have been given at work is to wear gloves as we have contact with many public used areas and surfaces l and change them after each task.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Why do people keep comparing it to flu and using total deaths as some sort of proof that we’ve got nothing to worry about? It’s that complacency that’s going to fuck us all. In a month there’ll be 100k cases, and in two months it’s into the millions. Unless we all temporarily change the way are living right now, slow the spread and help the NHS out.
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The answer is comfort and to reassure themselves and hope that it goes away.

Many will change their ways. Many already have. Sadly we have a huge amount of thick people who will carry on regardless oblivious of the consequences to others. In China that is simply not allowed. Here is different and hence my fear is that we will suffer more than most other developed countries.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I don't know what you mean by "medical grade", but a cheap (normally cheap anyway, like £2) FFP1 mask is highly effective.
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i must jump in CB and although i dont know i can only say what i have heard and that the only medical masks that will assist in stopping the virus are the top grade ones that surgeons use and they are not £2 a piece from screwfix more like £50 from hospital supplies and thats only if fitted the correct way, other than that you would need the ones with the bio filters that screw into the sides or you have a flex pipe that goes to a filter box
 
urban genie said:
Not them cheap cloth ones people walk round in.

The reason they are saying don't touch your eyes or face is that this virus can be contracted from more than the mouth.

Masks may be helpfull for close quarter contact, but generally walking down the street with one on will do nothing much but make you feel safer.


The instruction we have been given at work is to wear gloves as we have contact with many public used areas and surfaces l and change them after each task.
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I am not sure I can agree with this mate.

It is true that for naked virus "aerosol", then a cheap mask will likely do nothing and even a proper N95 or N98 mask will only filter out 95% (etc) of particles smaller then 0.3 microns, and coronavirus is smaller than that. So it might filter between 50% and 90% of the virus particles.

But they do two things which are effective. (1) They stop you putting your fingers in your mouth, and (2) they stop you inhaling contaminated globules when someone passing by coughs all over you.

I haven't resorted to wearing a face mask yet and won't be doing so for the foreseeable, but if/when we get into the 100's of thousands or even millions infected, I may do.
 
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