COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[worsleyweb]

You can have whatever opinion you want.

In my opinion, the contraction in China is due to the population of the most affected area having been locked down for the last 2 months. Italy have just brought that in but not as strictly and their rate is 3 times higher than China's and climbing. At some point the lock down will have an effect there and the rate will fall. We haven't started to restrict anything yet so I suspect we've got a fair way to go before it stabilises here.

Oh, and its not flu, so the bit about flu seasons abating is irrelevant and no-one's put forward any evidence that it would apply to Covid-19.

That's my opinion. Is that ok?

Of course it is but when I say flu in terms abating that also applies to previous strains of Coronavirus. The chap I quoted suggested it would abate also.

 

[aguero93:20]

Not this time,i do like to hug everyone though

Fucking pestilence merchant.

 

[purplenose]

Is that not because it’s a Monday lol?

In the case of the motorways perhaps. Certainly the boozer would normally have been busier even on a Monday.

As for today around the town it was very quiet.

 

[blueish swede]

Sweden has raised the risk for local infection to the same as the international level. 60 new cases in Stockholm today (2,3M people, 203 new total). It had gone down for a couple of days - (probably because of the weekend in my opinion, people staying in).

They have said asthmatics should be taking their preventer medication, which I havem't seen mentioned aywhere else.

 

[marco]

I read earlier that 150,000 people die every day in the world. 100,000 of these are from old age related illness effectively.

I still think there is more to this than meets the eye because the actions being taken are so drastic and yet this has only killed 4000 people in a month, most of whom fall into the “old age” category.

This action is going to absolutely cripple the economy if it is not sorted soon. Once people start to panic, they stop spending and save instead as they fear the worst. It’s Human Nature and it’s what happened when we had the panic around the Financial crisis.

Maybe the drastic action is to ensure this does stop soon and the economy doesn’t suffer but I can see loads of companies going bust if this carries on more than a few months. People will curtail all non essential spending.

it has so many shall we say side efects other than killing people. as you say the Economy, other people will lose their lives while falling victim to heart attacks etc as the system wont be able to cope,investments have gone tits up, its going to hit hard,, i was looking for a new car but thats been shelved until this is over so thats another example of people restricting spending, anyone with a decent amount of cash stashed especially with a mortgage are not going to spend it incase they or their partner cant work

 

[cibaman]

They told me when i was tested so no i wasn't included at that point,i have a feeling that after the fright they got in brighton at that beginning they want to filter it out slower all the way along the trust area,i can go to anyone of 3 big hospitals,plus a local one,i don't know how they are managing the numbers

Have you thought of writing up a diary? Like the Brit in China. Your daily experience over the last couple of weeks. Your contacts with 111. Your trip to the cup final? The press would love it. And you would be doing a public service explaining the reality of the situation.

 

[SWP's back]

You on an optimistic role Marv?
Lost my shirt on the stock market today based on your advice :)

S&P 500 up 2.7%
Dow up 2.5%
Nasdaq up 2.4%

What are you investing in?

 

[Bigga]

agree that it’s not Trumps policies that have lead to their healthcare system they have got, but surely by ridiculing the gravity of the situation he has indirectly exposed far more people to contracting the virus - for some bizarre reason he has a huge following there which cling on to every word that comes out of his mouth, why would They act any different on his guidance to the virus?

His "guidance to the virus" is not a correlation with "indirectly" exposing anyone. This would happen when people cannot afford to lose work when they don't get paid for an absence. This changes when a job unties with healthcare as the job becomes just the job and healthcare its own entity.

If you had to 'self isolate' and a job fires you, you can look at another job and not fear how you're going to look after yourself/ family, health-wise, in the down time if someone gets sick. Or be forced to work and deny you're ill.

Small, but super important, differences.

 

[SebastianBlue]

S&P 500 up 2.7%
Dow up 2.5%
Nasdaq up 2.4%

What are you investing in?

Corona beer branded shirts, by the sound of it.

 

[True_Blue69]

Have you read what happens when you call 111 and say you believe you have the symptoms of Covid-19?

And you’re surprised it’s not doubled? (Also it was doubling ever 3-4 days, not 2)

That's even better news then as of many more have it and are not diagnosed it means the % dying is really low. Pretty much everyone was saying doubling every 2 days. Whats your problem with people on this thread you need to get that chip off you're shoulder.

 

[Uffa]

Let’s just say there’s a life that won’t be beautiful.

Might be my Italian instinct but my first interpretation of that was a threat.

Btw, German (indoor) Icehockey playoffs are canceled, no champion this year.

Hmm, even if my level of interest for that is on par with the one I have for our national bowling team (world champions 2018!), if I think about it it's much more drastic than what football has done by playing behind closed doors.

 

[East Level 2]

My gloves are on tomorrow night! Scarf over mouth too. I’m taking no chances. I’m hoping that there will be plenty of empty seats for me to sit amongst too.

Midweek, re-arranged, early (7-30) kick-off and dippers on the telly. Of course there'll be plenty of empty seats.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Might be my Italian instinct but my first interpretation of that was a threat.

I was talking about my own...

Thanks for reminding me! :-(

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I have to say the last couple of days have been encouraging. Yes, the numbers are still increasing rapidly around the globe, but in several cases, the increases are less than we would expect if this was to follow pure exponential growth. +52 cases in the UK (up from 321) is only a 17% increase. Similar yesterday. This is much better than the 30%, 40% or 50% type figures we've seen over the preceding few days.

Of course 2 swallows do not make a summer. But it at least gives hope that perhaps the measures people are taking are starting to have an effect. I have not personally been into London for a couple of weeks now, but colleagues are saying that it is eerily quiet, in the streets and on the tube in particular. If people are staying at home more, mixing less, then hopefully perhaps the rate of increase not accelerating as fast.

17% daily increases as opposed to the previous average of circa 35% would make a HUGE difference.

By end of March:

@ +17% daily = 373 * 1.17 ^^ 21 = 10,000 cases

@ +35% daily = 373 * 1.35 ^^ 21 = 200,000 cases

Which if nothing else, only goes to show just how vital it is that we take this very seriously and EVERYONE changes their behaviour, washing more, not shaking hands, not eating (sandwiches for example) with your fingers unless you've washed your hands thoroughly, not going out as much, driving rather than going in the train. Etc. All of these combined WILL make a huge difference.

EDIT: Spain is out of control I see. Huge increases the last couple of days would tend to indicate Spanish people are not taking it as seriously as they should and are just carrying on as normal.

the issue is how do you know that these figures are accurate. The Italian healthcare system is apparently at breaking point, therefore surely more people aren’t being tested ??

simiarly in the uk. They are only really testing people who have visited badly effected countries. Obviously you can’t test everyone, but these figures seem suspicious, especially the ones in China

 

[aguero93:20]

Corona beer branded shirts, by the sound of it.

I hear they've decided to rebrand it Ebola extra to try to give it a more positive image.

 

[aguero93:20]

Btw, German (indoor) Icehockey playoffs are canceled, no champion this year.

Dirty bastards.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Just heard that a couple of big shows at Excel and NEC have just cancelled which were meant to be held this month. Supposedly decisions taken by the organiser and not the venues.

Some colleagues of mine were supposed to go to SXSW - one to host a talk. Gutting for them but what can you do when the decision isn’t yours.

It also seems I spoke too soon, as of this afternoon I’ve been told to WFH on Friday as a practise. Ha.

 

[Bigga]

Oh, you already know my thoughts on the abject hypocrisy of the current US government, so no need to expound on that here.

I am just sharing the reasons I think the US (and separately UK) pandemic response has been inadequate. They could of course turn it around, but the delay of comprehensive action will have already done harm and will likely compound future harm (which is a point I was trying to make to another poster earlier today; there is a cost to delaying action and it is often a magnifying factor for later costs).

Completely agree.

I think both UK and US gov are guilty of putting economy before health.

The UK, in particular, are not even testing people when they are coming from 'hot spots'! Scandalous!

Simple measures would steady an economic ship. Just to be seen to be taking control would work wonders in the market.

As a byproduct it would calm the citizens of both countries, but these are people selected voted-in dunces in charge!

 

[robbieh]

A Bulgarian in Andalucia for a couple of days work said she'll be quarantined on arriving back home. Bulgaria has 5 confirmed cases only. Which shows that some countries taking this more seriously than others. Israel doing something similar I believe despite having low rates at present.

 

[Bigga]

I sense a cover up...