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Where’s the logic then? Don’t go to these places but we won’t close them. I really don’t want to believe we live in a time we’d risk lives for insurance reasons but I don’t see any other reasons behind this.

No idea but I doubt he's going against the recommendations of his experts.
 
It’s stupidity to think everyone will listen. If he’s telling people not to go you’re basically saying these places shouldn’t be open. Close them, it’s not fucking hard but he’s making the basics very hard. That’s why not everyone gets on board because he contradicts himself. Until he takes it serious and shuts these places down or even lock downs, you’ll still get idiots who won’t take the advice seriously either.
He is balancing keeping business going and people in jobs,it will be important not to start from ground zero when things get better
 
He is balancing keeping business going and people in jobs,it will be important not to start from ground zero when things get better

Keeping them open runs them out of business. Open but next to no custom. I know people in small businesses who do have business interference insurance or whoever it is worded. It really feels like it’s being done so they have to stay open and can’t claim for it, otherwise why else is this the approach. If it is dangerous for people to go these places, close them. Even worse the majority attending pubs are probably the older most vulnerable people!
 
the mans a bloody idiot.
If people were following advice restaurants and pubs would be shut cos they’d be empty.
No help for companies that are having to let people go now whilst waiting to apply for financial support. No clarification of school closures.
He didn't say that. There was just no announcements today.
He did say there would be further announcements from the chancellor tomorrow.
 
Remote press conferences suggests to me that he's preparing for a full scale lockdown.
Yep that bit was interesting,he also said he can go further with shutting things down,i wanted him to be less polite ages ago,i think he is trying to balance everything,he looked completely out of his death since the start,just as well the medical bods come across calm and in control
 
judging by Italy, European style lockdowns may not be as good as we expect, and perhaps by being a few weeks behind if treatments are working we can get to a point where the timing works a lot better for us than it has for others.

Just need to stop people mass buying.
 
Keeping them open runs them out of business. Open but next to no custom. I know people in small businesses who do have business interference insurance or whoever it is worded. It really feels like it’s being done so they have to stay open and can’t claim for it, otherwise why else is this the approach. If it is dangerous for people to go these places, close them. Even worse the majority attending pubs are probably the older most vulnerable people!
A lot of them have changed to take away food which helps them and people still need to go out and get food and drink,what should stop is people being allowed to gather there i agree
 
Remember the imperial report is just based on a model and stuff being input to the model will change it significantly.

Increased numbers of ventilators, increased numbers of doctors from bringing in retired and medical students, finding an effective drug treatment.- inputting any of that into the model would change it completely.


I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.
 
I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.
Yes their herd immunity plan in the beginning and not closing down football and other mass gatherings was wrong imo,it did sacrifice the old and vulnerable,thank god that the likes of football shut itself down
I had never heard anything so stupid as the expert saying you are really low risk at the game but ignored how people got there and everything else like being packed in the pub
 
I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.

Ultimately they are just trying to avoid as many deaths as possible and I know that's not much comfort to those who lose people but it's what all their decisions are based on.
 
Idiot or not, it takes a bigger fucking idiot not to follow the advice. It can’t be any fucking clearer to me - stay out of pubs and restaurants. Granted, they should be just closing them outright now because not everyone is listening or heeding the advice, but we can’t put all the blame on the government if people are ignoring what they’re asking us to do.
Have to agree, however unless the plan is to quickly lockdown because of non compliance by the public then his almost apologetic appeal to stay away from pubs etc. was pathetic.
 
I think he's pointing out that the daily press conference as currently constituted breaks every piece of advice on social distancing that the government has been recommending.
He's right.
He at least identified the reason why journalists don't want to change the current format.
I.e. Awkward questions being ignored and the press pack knowing if this is the case.
 
We're again treated to Mark Easton's funereal tones on the main evening BBC News virus bulletin. Poking an extended telescopic microphone into the faces of his interviewees on the London streets to keep them at bay. His piece concludes over pictures of a temporary mortuary under construction - going all out for the BAFTAs is Mark.
 
Ultimately they are just trying to avoid as many deaths as possible and I know that's not much comfort to those who lose people but it's what all their decisions are based on.
That is patently not true.

How will allowing people to socialise in pubs, in London - the most infected area of the country - "avoid as many deaths as possible". It is the very opposite of that.

We could debate WHY they are not making it illegal for people to be out without "good reason", but we cannot debate whether it is a bad idea if your main objective was simply to save lives.
 
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