COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Bill Walker]

Quick question. Does anyone here who goes out for groceries or just for a walk wear masks? I just went out for a walk in a park without any masks. I won't lie I am a bit worried about it now.

No need to wear a mask if out walking, unless you're Asian of course. :)
If going into a busy building, then I'd wear a mask. But remember to throw it away when you leave, you can't re-wear masks.

 

[blueish swede]

Til chippy boy pops up

You forgot George.

Don't forget Bungle :)

 

[i8rags]

WTF what? WTF is that supposed to mean???

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting some blue mooners want to see more dead, simply so they can be proved right? Don't be ridiculous.

I wouldn’t be surprised

 

[blueish swede]

Had to smile at this report in the Guardian

French police turn back private jet of holidaymakers from UK
...The men, aged 40-50, and women, aged 23-25, were refused permission to enter France and ordered by police to fly back to the UK...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...urn-back-private-jet-of-holidaymakers-from-uk

 

[SWP's back]

Do we know that other countries are reporting a different way?

Spain, for example, does the same as us and sees a big increase on Tuesdays because it encompasses previous days. We have the same increase on Wednesdays.

I don’t know about Italy but it makes sense that not every death on a particular day is reported on that same day because every country will be experiencing the same administrative issues as us.

It’ll be difficult to see who’s ahead or who’s behind when the differences are marginal over a short period but I think there’s still a lot to be taken from the data which is presumably why the UK Government publishes it.

I’m sure Spain are and Italy and other countries are also doing similar yes. That’s all the more reason why we shouldn’t be comparing ourselves with them with one off days (data points) It renders the whole thing pointless.

 

[Chippy_boy]

My own eyes would suggest that the majority are doing as instructed, but that a minority would never do as instructed no matter who was the government, so its not political, also some people are so desperate to "earn" they just don't give a fuck for those they are delivering too.

I live on a complex of apartments with a good view from a balcony, so I've seen deliveries come in all shapes and sizes, and again many are being very good, but a sizeable minority take no regard at all, and the things they deliver are just as likely to carry the virus into peoples homes, and I expect many don't think about the risk of a delivery, being similar to visiting a shop.

You cannot equate the risk of recieving an online delivery to that of visiting a shop.

You are being exposed to only 1 person (or none if they leave the goods outside) Vs many in e.g. a supermarket.

And regarding the goods, first of all the government has said there's no evidence of people cstching COVID-19 through the post. But even if there is, it must be a very low chance. The virus does not survive well on surfaces like cardboard especially in warm weather. And the it depends how careful you are handling things. Leave them in the hall for a few days and even the packaging will be virus free..

I am not saying there is zero risk but it would be incredibly unlikely to get infected from a delivered parcel, provided you are even moderately careful. Whereas going to the supermarket without PPE is basically just rolling the dice as to whether you will get sick and possibly die it not

 

[SWP's back]

I don’t think it’s fair to criticise people for quoting the figures that are released by the government and then quoted by the media. By all means question the validity of those numbers, but it’s a bit shitty to suggest some people are hoping for more deaths. Nobody wants that.

It’s adding the Sky byline comparing it the to the “worst” Italian or Spanish day that’s the issue rather than the number itself when only 117 of the 866 are from yesterday.

 

[Vic]

Why is there too much milk? Do we drink more latte at work than at home?

Farmers pouring thousands of litres away.

 

[give it to gordon]

Quick question. Does anyone here who goes out for groceries or just for a walk wear masks? I just went out for a walk in a park without any masks. I won't lie I am a bit worried about it now.

When I am at work delivering, it's a yes. Anywhere were its busy I wear my mask and gloves even just out walking . As I live in a small village and back onto the rec , I walk around there without a mask and gloves because its empty, but wash hands as soon as I get in. I do wear a mask when shopping. Just because you can now walk around tesco with your face hidden and they dont think you are about to rob the place lolol

 

[Vic]

On the issue of how many have got it, this story didn't get much traction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930

(Especially as passport office staff have been helping with universal credit claims)

See the byline times stuff on the origins of this thinking (deeply worrying if true but would explain a lot). https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/09/...e-running-as-we-will-all-get-covid-19-anyway/

 

[SWP's back]

I'd say there is zero chance of that.

10% of the population would be a stretch. 20m+ is completely impossible.

We're there that many, we'd be seeing falling figures due to reducing numbers of potential new infectees.

The stats from Austria indicate we perhaps have 1% infected, so circa 700k. They might be out, but not 30x out.

His powers of divination on the thread have been lacking so far as he was saying a month ago that we’d have forgotten all about it by May.

 

[Coatigan]

Why is there too much milk? Do we drink more latte at work than at home?

Farmers pouring thousands of litres away.

well yes, kind of. think of all the coffee shops, cafes, restaurants, pubs that are shut and not ordering the amounts of milk they used to. supermarkets and ppl at home wont replace that level of supply.

 

[Chippy_boy]

On the issue of how many have got it, this story didn't get much traction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930

(Especially as passport office staff have been helping with universal credit claims)

See the byline times stuff on the origins of this thinking (deeply worrying if true but would explain a lot). https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/09/...e-running-as-we-will-all-get-covid-19-anyway/

The first link has nothing to do with how many have got it. It's entirely about an opinion on how many will get it eventually, which is entirely different.

The second link is just nonsense. The vast majority of the UK population has not been infected and will not have been after the lockdown period is relaxed. We can debate whether that is 80%, 90%, 95% or 99%. But it is the vast majority. And it is entirely possible - IMO likely even - that we will have a vaccine in time to prevent the majority from catching it. It is far from inevitable that 80% will catch it whatever we do. In fact I would say it's barely even possible because the resulting death toll would be so catastrophic, intensely draconian measures - the likes of those not seen outside war time - would be forced upon us in order to prevent it.

But let's say the claim is right. You say "deeply worrying if true but would explain a lot"

What would it explain?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Quick question. Does anyone here who goes out for groceries or just for a walk wear masks? I just went out for a walk in a park without any masks. I won't lie I am a bit worried about it now.

i don’t wear masks at all.

 

[SilverFox2]

Im seriously beginning to think 1 or 2 on here are desperate for the figures to surpass elsewhere so they can say I told you so, fucking embarrassing how many people are either not reading the stats correctly or putting their own spin on it to suit their agenda.

Im sure that the maths are open to interpretation and not all of us understand them.

For some reason I thought that the daily death count rising was an indicator of previous infection results, am I wrong?

I seem to recall an old saying to beware of lies, damn lies and statistics.
Perhaps we should shoot the graph messenger if its daily totals are irrelevant.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Why is there too much milk? Do we drink more latte at work than at home?

Farmers pouring thousands of litres away.

I found those scenes particularly frustrating. I was struck with the question, are there not local cheese or dairy manufacturers they could have given the milk to? Cheese keeps years if the right sort. Seemed an incredible shame to be pouring something of intrinsic value down the drain.

And BTW even more galling that the one bloody Tesco online shop I did manage to get for my Mum, they didn't have any fucking milk!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Im sure that the maths are open to interpretation and not all of us understand them.

For some reason I thought that the daily death count rising was an indicator of previous infection results, am I wrong?

I seem to recall an old saying to beware of lies, damn lies and statistics.
Perhaps we should shoot the graph messenger if its daily totals are irrelevant.

They are not irrelevant as part of a trend. You can shift the deaths from one day to another or spread them out over a period but sooner or later they gave to be accounted for, and the trend graphs show the direction of travel irrespective of one days figures.

 

[SWP's back]

Im sure that the maths are open to interpretation and not all of us understand them.

For some reason I thought that the daily death count rising was an indicator of previous infection results, am I wrong?

I seem to recall an old saying to beware of lies, damn lies and statistics.
Perhaps we should shoot the graph messenger if its daily totals are irrelevant.

The “total deaths” graph is relatively accurate up to any date and shows trends.

Daily death graphs are woefully inaccurate when only 117 of 866 reported deaths actually occurred on one date.

 

[inchy14]

It’s adding the Sky byline comparing it the to the “worst” Italian or Spanish day that’s the issue rather than the number itself when only 117 of the 866 are from yesterday.

Thank you.

 

[Vic]

The first link has nothing to do with how many have got it. It's entirely about an opinion on how many will get it eventually, which is entirely different.

The second link is just nonsense. The vast majority of the UK population has not been infected and will not have been after the lockdown period is relaxed. We can debate whether that is 80%, 90%, 95% or 99%. But it is the vast majority. And it is entirely possible - IMO likely even - that we will have a vaccine in time to prevent the majority from catching it. It is far from inevitable that 80% will catch it whatever we do. In fact I would say it's barely even possible because the resulting death toll would be so catastrophic, intensely draconian measures - the likes of those not seen outside war time - would be forced upon us in order to prevent it.

But let's say the claim is right. You say "deeply worrying if true but would explain a lot"

What would it explain?

That depends on whether the view of a scientific adviser to the Home Office is an opinion, or a policy.

"You are no more at risk at the workplace as you would be in your home or at the supermarket. It is about minimising it," he said.

"We are working on the assessment that 80% of us, if we haven't already, will get the virus."

He added: "We cannot hide away from it forever."

This echoed previous government briefings that up to 80% of people would eventually contract Covid-19 and that this would help the population develop "herd immunity".