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So UK hospital deaths = 6. Only bettered once - last Monday - when it was 5.

Last two Mondays the all settings total has been single figures too - 7 two weeks ago (when it was lower than the 11 hospital deaths) and 9 last Monday (when another 4 out of hospital were added to the 5)
 
Of todays 6 England hospital deaths 0 were from the NW - that is zero for three days from here now. But NW tends to not record deaths well over the weekend more than other regions do I have noted before. With catch ups on Tuesday when the overall figure always rises as all out of hospital data tends to accummuate as well from the missing weekend numbers.
 
For what it is worth here are the numbers from England

9 Aug = 2 after one day

8 Aug added 1 = 2 after two days

7 Aug added 0 = 4 after three days

6 Aug added 0 = 5 after four days

5 Aug added 0 = 3 after five days

2 Aug added 1 = 8 after a week of add ons.

The other two deaths were from July.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
People were coming in, in March and nobody knew if they had it or not. Staff were being exposed to huge amounts of viral load from patients, other members of staff and visitors. All that has now changed and, currently at least, most of the people who have it won’t need to be going anywhere near a hospital, which is all good.
Thats not to say the virus hasn’t changed and become even milder for most, but don’t underestimate how not unknowingly coming into contact with it helps NHS staff as well.
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It is good to hear that the NHS staff are at least a bit safer now, and hopefully with the knowledge gained should be able to stay that way in the event of a significant second wave or spike?
 
domalino said:
There's never been a vaccine rolled out which has actually been damaging or "gone wrong".

They're incredibly safe compared to a lot of pills we give people every single day without any safety concerns.
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Apologies for stating the obvious but where does thalidomide fit into that? Drug over vaccine?
Also the recent stories about suing over vaccines that caused death and illnesses.
I'm relatively confident about vaccines but it's amazing how many aren't (and only brought to light due to this recent pandemic).

I think we'll probably see many vaccines and treatments come on the market over the next few year or two.
That video I posted from the BBC's Hard Talk (with the director of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar) is worth a watch:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08mq51d
 
I noticed this morning that the BBC were quoting 50+ deaths per day for the last week as an average. I am pretty sure that the number of people dying over the past seven days is a lot less than 50 per day (350 per week) once you have factored all the late reporting. Media has been shocking with their reporting during this pandemic. Why can't they be more accurate with the reporting of the data. All they have to do is come on here at 7.00pm and all the work has been done for them.
 
Here is my usual weekly total of week long numbers adding up the deaths after 5 days to last full 5 day total date (4 Aug)

16 - 22 July adding up the 5 day totals = 62 (average approx 9)

23 - 29 July adding up the 5 day totals = 53 (average approx.7.5)

30 Jul - 5 Aug adding up the 5 day totals = 37 (average approx 5.5)

As has been the case for a while the 5 day totals are still clearly falling.

We might not have conquered the virus but death numbers in English hospitals are still dropping.
 
somapop said:
Apologies for stating the obvious but where does thalidomide fit into that? Drug over vaccine?
Also the recent stories about suing over vaccines that caused death and illnesses.
I'm relatively confident about vaccines but it's amazing how many aren't (and only brought to light due to this recent pandemic).

I think we'll probably see many vaccines and treatments come on the market over the next few year or two.
That video I posted from the BBC's Hard Talk (with the director of the Wellcome Trust, Sir Jeremy Farrar) is worth a watch:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08mq51d
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Thalidomide is not a vaccine.

Some people do have adverse reactions to vaccines, and a tiny amount of those people have such bad reactions they ultimately die or get permanently effected, but it's so rare that it's just not worth being in the conversation. It's in the order of 1 in a million doses.

The same kind of adverse reactions occur from supermarket drugs like ibuprofen. it happens hundreds of times more often with penicillin - but those are 2 of the most widespread medicines in the world because we know the pros vastly, vastly outweigh the cons.

I think the biggest "disaster" with a vaccine is the cutter incident, where 10 kids died after a manufacturing mistake didn't kill the virus put in the vaccine and then there was a mini-outbreak of polio in the vicinity. That was still 10 out of tens of millions who got vaccinated - and the polio rate even with the cutter incident dropped nearly 90% and many thousands of lives were saved.
 
Eds said:
I noticed this morning that the BBC were quoting 50+ deaths per day for the last week as an average. I am pretty sure that the number of people dying over the past seven days is a lot less than 50 per day (350 per week) once you have factored all the late reporting. Media has been shocking with their reporting during this pandemic. Why can't they be more accurate with the reporting of the data. All they have to do is come on here at 7.00pm and all the work has been done for them.
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Whilst thank you - the reality is with out of hospital add ons that number is accurate on the measures they use.

Though it annoys me when the media say something like 53 people died in British hospitals yesterday. As that is sloppy journalism because it isn't really true. And has not been in a while. Its more a guesstimate - especially when many are either not in hospital or are long term carch ups and/or with different national definitions of a Covid death.

Though it is of course more than just single figures.

Indeed a similar one week total death numbers to date (might be more apt) in English hospitals shows

14 - 20 July = total 92 (so approx 13 per day)

21 - 27 July = total 76 (so approx 11 per day)

28 Jul - 3 Aug = total 48 (so approx 7 per day)

Again you see the drop - though as the most recent week has just 7 days add ons and the earliest week here has 14 more days of add ons this is a little misleading as older dates are bound to be on average above more recent dates.

Though add ons after a week these days are not common and we are talking one maybe every few days so the later totals will probably only rise by up to about 5 in the next two weeks.

And so we are talking average daily deaths in English hospitals in the teens at most right now and as the bulk of UK deaths are in England (indeed only Wales added a few to the past three weeks) I would say 20 hospital deaths per day is about the limit of a reasonable guesstimate.

Out of hospitals are another matter as they jump all over the place from being minus numbers on a day to being over 100!
 
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domalino said:
Thalidomide is not a vaccine.

Some people do have adverse reactions to vaccines, and a tiny amount of those people have such bad reactions they ultimately die or get permanently effected, but it's so rare that it's just not worth being in the conversation. It's in the order of 1 in a million doses.

The same kind of adverse reactions occur from supermarket drugs like ibuprofen. it happens hundreds of times more often with penicillin - but those are 2 of the most widespread medicines in the world because we know the pros vastly, vastly outweigh the cons.

I think the biggest "disaster" with a vaccine is the cutter incident, where 10 kids died after a manufacturing mistake didn't kill the virus put in the vaccine and then there was a mini-outbreak of polio in the vicinity. That was still 10 out of tens of millions who got vaccinated - and the polio rate even with the cutter incident dropped nearly 90% and many thousands of lives were saved.
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Thanks - I did clarify that after reading your post tbf. Surprised it's still on the market and is high in the list of very safe medicines (surprised in that I know very little about it apart from the birth defects tragedy all those years ago). Even now they're refining it to make it even safer.
But again, the amount of distrust over vaccines is incredible - I've learned a great deal more after your post earlier and I'm generally in favour of them. Is the cutter incident the one that made the news again recently (the suing I mentioned)?

Startling stats though and it's not just anti vaxxers. An element of needle fear and other primal things at play here.
Cheers.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
that's just hyperbole, if it was going to be safe beyond reasonable doubt we'd be waiting 5 years to truly study the long-term effects.
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We have the best experts in the vaccine field in this country in the welcome trust,this vaccine will be safe,it is being attached to ones that we have been using for a long time
 
somapop said:
Thanks - I did clarify that after reading your post tbf. Surprised it's still on the market and is high in the list of very safe medicines (surprised in that I know very little about it apart from the birth defects tragedy all those years ago). Even now they're refining it to make it even safer.
But again, the amount of distrust over vaccines is incredible - I've learned a great deal more after your post earlier and I'm generally in favour of them. Is the cutter incident the one that made the news again recently (the suing I mentioned)?

Startling stats though and it's not just anti vaxxers. An element of needle fear and other primal things at play here.
Cheers.
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Thalidomide is being used in myeloma and brain tumour treatment.
 
Of the 6 England hospital deaths they were aged between 65 and 93 and all with underlying health conditions.
 
The cases feel so erratic at the moment that it feels very hard to find any general trend with them.
 
somapop said:
Thanks - I did clarify that after reading your post tbf. Surprised it's still on the market and is high in the list of very safe medicines (surprised in that I know very little about it apart from the birth defects tragedy all those years ago). Even now they're refining it to make it even safer.
But again, the amount of distrust over vaccines is incredible - I've learned a great deal more after your post earlier and I'm generally in favour of them. Is the cutter incident the one that made the news again recently (the suing I mentioned)?

Startling stats though and it's not just anti vaxxers. An element of needle fear and other primal things at play here.
Cheers.
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The amount of people who believe the earth is flat, chemtrails are real, 5g is fucking with our brains, we never went to the moon etc would surprise you too. Lots of people are largely quite stupid. They believe everything is a conspiracy and can't quite comprehend that 99.9999% of things that happen have fuck all to do with them, but they're convinced that they're all trying to be kept in the dark anyway.
 
twosips said:
The cases feel so erratic at the moment that it feels very hard to find any general trend with them.
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Erratic in terms of where the cases are but still around the 800 mark. In the grand scale of things it isn't a large figure but this pandemic started with 1 case. Just have to hope that the 800 are isolating and haven't passed it around too many people. Deaths are definitely slowing and it appears that new cases are being driven by the under 40's who possibly aren't affected too badly hence the rate of deaths dropping
 
128, 267 were England pillar 1 & 2 tests - finding 699 England cases today. About 0.6% which is better percentage too.

Last Monday it was 856 England cases from 105, 564 pillar 1 & 2 tests - whih is about 0.8%
 
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