COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaz76]

I wish. Not remotely famous, sorry. Or that good at maths.

Dianne abbot!! I knew it all along!!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

There is as much of a lockdown in Tier 3 as a national lockdown and it isn't working

this Is what I don’t understand there is no analysis or stats on growth in those areas who have been locked down and those that haven’t .

if it was shown to work then people would support it .

we have been locked down in Manchester for months and cases are going up. Yet equally those areas who have had relaxed restrictions have also been going up.

equally countries in Europe and Far East who adopt harsh lockdowns are no more successful than those that have a more guidance based approach .

i don’t know the answer it’s just all bloody odd.

 

[mackenzie]

I wish. Not remotely famous, sorry. Or that good at maths.

You're not famous? Pfft...doesn't matter, keep the info coming ;-)

 

[Deleted member 77198]

why do people keep going on about Sweden ffs, as if it's some utopian society free of Covid where everyone can mingle and it's all fine.

why do people keep going on about Sweden ffs, as if it's some utopian society free of Covid where everyone can mingle and it's all fine.

Because deep down we’re jealous that their women are better looking than British women

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Infections in Scotland today

197 aged 65+
55 of whom are aged 85+

66 aged under 15
20 of whom are aged under 5

191 aged 15-24

674 aged 25-64


***Deaths***

10 aged 85+
16 aged 75-84
7 aged 65-74
4 aged 45-64

 

[BlueAnorak]

If you were in a collective group, a desert island, or a hospital ward and a virus entered your population, quarantine is about the only defence you have. I understand social protests by groups who are facing impoverishment and this is a problem because decisions are made by officials who exclude people from information, decision-making and power but ultimately quarantine is a sound medical strategy.

It is but we as a nation are NOT following the rules - 20% are, 30% are not and 50% break quarantine on occasion to get important stuff!
Collective fecking madness.
We need to monitor mobile phone location and card spending to enforce it.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Think BBC NW are reading this column (only joking!)

They just did a summary on ups and downs in NW and how Merseyside is improving and GM going the other way and I was smiling as it almost exactly matched what I have been posting over the past few days in my evening reports.

Reassuring to be ahead of the news.

There won’t be a more detailed place for information than this forum. From local to national to international figures, to facts about Vitamin D, potassium, obesity, and the economy... this place is the best source of information going!

 

[kaz7]

Nottingham hospitals receiving enough COVID-19 patients each day 'to fill a whole ward'

A total of 126,065 people tested positive for COVID-19 in England in the week to 21 October, according to the latest Test and Trace figures.this is an increase of 23% in positive cases on the previous week and is the highest weekly number since Test and Trace was launched at the end of May.

The latest weekly surveillance report from Public Health England has revealed that 397 suspected outbreaks in care homes were reported in the week 19 to 25 October.

Oxford will move into Tier 2 on Saturday morning

Spanish region announces 15-day ban on leaving or entering Catalonia, home to the city of Barcelona, will also extend a 15-day shutdown of its bars and restaurants.

Two 19-year-old women have each been given a fine of £10,000 after they organised a party in Canterbury, Kent Police said

Taiwan goes 200 days without any COVID-19 cases

Moderna says it is preparing to launch its potential coronavirus vaccine
The biotech company is currently testing its vaccine candidate in a large human trial.
It has now finished enrolling 30,000 participants for the study, which will be used to determine whether the vaccine can help prevent COVID-19.

I think this one is what a few people on here think but wont actually say it

Pret a Manger distances itself from founder over lockdown comments

The coffee chain's founder Julian Metcalfe was quoted in the Daily Mail as saying "society will not recover if we do it (lockdown) again to save a few thousand lives of very old or vulnerable people".

"The young people of this country will be paying for this for the next 20 to 30 years. It's terrible what's happening. Just because France does this with its socialist government, doesn't mean we have to," he added.


Bit of a round up from rolling news

 

[BlueAnorak]

Bad all over the south mainly going off that.

But hey as sumarised here yesterday it may upset the cornish if the south is locked down so let's leave it.

No fucker in westminster gave a shite locking down the north all when places like barrow were practically covid safe.

The south is fucked lock the lot down and support those affected.

Imperial Study - So it cant be trusted. 2.5 times higher than the Zoe and ONS studies.

 

[mosssideblue]

this Is what I don’t understand there is no analysis or stats on growth in those areas who have been locked down and those that haven’t .

if it was shown to work then people would support it .

we have been locked down in Manchester for months and cases are going up. Yet equally those areas who have had relaxed restrictions have also been going up.

equally countries in Europe and Far East who adopt harsh lockdowns are no more successful than those that have a more guidance based approach .

i don’t know the answer it’s just all bloody odd.

If people behaved as they should then the measures would work

 

[mosssideblue]

Because deep down we’re jealous that their women are better looking than British women

All women are good looking, some just are better looking than others :)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think 2-3 weeks now , as i kept saying but got shot down for being negative , winter was going to be the worst time , longer if not so much of a peak but more deadly , this is the priority at hand imo, we have to protect the nhs , there is no other option . Also if people want any kind of holidays we have to interupt the spread now , as soon as people start travelling and mixing then it will rocket , short sharp lockdowns to depress the spread till we get to spring is our best weapon , our only weapon , we have to manage it so the nhs doesnt collapse , it struggles in normal winter as it is

A better exit plan has to be thought through , it was handled all wrong last time and the cumming thing didnt help either, i dont know how to do it , the scientists are not being listened too, i wish we had different people in charge but we are lumbered with what we have

Tell people straight and not pussyfoot around , you want dec 25 th then you have to do this now , all this we are hoping and maybe is not working , people need a slap, proper leadership

The worst mistake was sending kids back to uni , remote learning where possible was fine , it has worked for donkeys years for those who cant get to a uni , half hearted herd immunity which has sped up the spread massively

Hi Karen,

So how many lockdowns do you propose between now and next April/May Three/Four? and do we keep children off school?

I'm not saying it wasn't, but I am interested to hear how you think the exit strategy was handled wrong? What would you have done differently. Without hindsight the calls are much harder?

As for unis you come out with statements like remote learning? as if its some magic fix, but that is only probably feasible for some humanities subjects. A large percentage of courses you just cant do via remote learning. So what do you do with those courses?

These calls are not easy are they?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

All women are good looking, some just are better looking than others :)

Excellent quote!

 

[True_Blue69]

Of course, that is what herd immunity is all about. But there's 67m people in the country and IIRC they were talking about something like 45m infected in order for herd immunity to see the virus naturally die out. (And that assumed that once infected, you could not be reinfected, which it seems is not true).

We're nowhere near that infection rate and even at 5m new infections per month, it could be 6, 7, 8 months before we reach that point.

There are still only a very small number of reinfections globally so it seems that immunity does last for a while in the majority of people.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The only difference between current tier 3 and “national lockdown” is full closure of hospitality and non-essential shopping.

I would like to see it explained how that would have any increased effect on numbers.

I would also like to see it explained how locking down those areas in tier 1 that are seeing extremely low numbers as part of a national lockdown is a necessary.

there is a lack of acceptance that numbers will go up.

the government needs to publish what the acceptable number of deaths is. In other words, what is the number of deaths at which point they will release the lockdown. Otherwise it will be a repeat of March when lockdown went on far too long and the evidence shows that the numbers were coming down long before lockdown ended.

if the public were given the specific details setting out the parameters “when this happens we will do this” then compliance will be greater and that’s one of the biggest problems at the moment

A full lockdown French style would ban you going more than 1 km from your home for exercise and all travel outside your county apart from work and essential travel.

 

[kaz7]

Spain's parliament votes to extend state of emergency by six months

Officials voted in favour of the nationwide extension, giving regional authorities extra powers to control a second wave of coronavirus.

 

[mackenzie]

I am not stupid , i know all of that , the economy always recovers , generations always recover , it will again , you cant come back to the life and the nhs cant collapse inthe middle of a pandemic or if you get sick they cant save you , that comes before everything for me

Meanwhile

Researchers from Imperial College London say existing measures to control the virus aren't working.


And they argue more stringent action is needed nationwide "sooner rather than later".

The latest round of testing for the widely-respected REACT-1 study suggests one in 78 people across England has the virus. And the epidemic is doubling in size every nine days.

And yet austerity measures, which we will have for years to come no doubt, usually bring with it 100,000 deaths caused directly by those same measures. Public services, health and benefit cuts. The two are not separate, they are closely interlinked.

 

[Healdplace]

Time for a look at the last month's England hospital death averages per day and weekly totals.

The escalation is scary.

Numbers show on the left week to week the total cases at 5 days over the 7 day period and the daily death average.

And on the right that same week after add ons have been included with again the daily death average.

Recall this is only the Covid deaths in past 4 weeks in England hospitals.

WEEK /// TOTAL DEATHS /// DAILY AVERAGE /// SAME WEEK DEATHS AS TODAY //// SAME WEEK DAILY AVG NOW


27 SEP - 3 OCT//// In week 253 (Avg per day 36.2) /// In week 272 (Avg per day 38.8)

4 - 10 OCT //// In week 310 (Avg per day 44.3) /// In week 349 (Avg per day 49.7)

11 - 17 OCT //// In week 544 (Avg per day 77.7) /// In week 587 (Avg per day 83.9)

18 - 24 OCT //// In week 816 (Avg per day 116/6) /// In week 851 (Avg per day 121.6)

 

[mosssideblue]

There are still only a very small number of reinfections globally so it seems that immunity does last for a while in the majority of people.

How does that work? say someone previously recovered is not exposed to Covid again?

 

[kaz7]

Hi Karen,

So how many lockdowns do you propose between now and next April/May Three/Four? and do we keep children off school?

I'm not saying it wasn't, but I am interested to hear how you think the exit strategy was handled wrong? What would you have done differently. Without hindsight the calls are much harder?

As for unis you come out with statements like remote learning? as if its some magic fix, but that is only probably feasible for some humanities subjects. A large percentage of courses you just cant do via remote learning. So what do you do with those courses?

These calls are not easy are they?

if it is impossible to remote learn then let them go , we told everyone to go back then harding says nobody could see numbers jumping up as they did ! The ones that can come home test them and let the negatives go home and remote learn

A lockdown last week could have meant kids only missing a week or two of school , i cant say how many short lockdowns will be needed but we have missed the first chance to slow it down, it is catchup all the way now , in that respect we have not learnt that we have to get ahead and not lag behind

We had no plan to come out of lockdown, it was confused and mixed messages , the one metre plus and not two metres springs to mind , then backing cummings and then saying he acted res ponsable and with integrity so everyone said if we can break the rules then we can

Of course it is not easy , it is a bit stupid to keep saying that to me

Plenty of us wanted to use our time advantage and lock down sooner and stop mass gatherings etc, no hindsight needed , it was obvious what we were doing wrong , now as then we have lost control and are tinkering again